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Re: Fantasy Hockey

From: (Anonymous)
Commish!Nonny

It doesn't sound like you're doing anything wrong, nonny, but I don't quite understand what your issue is. What do you mean you can't get above 8th place? In the draft order? The 8th goalie you've ranked? If you explain your issue more fully, I'll be better able to help.

As for the general question, goalies are important, as is defense, but forwards are probably most important. Obviously, when your league uses 4 out of 12 categories for goalies, they are pretty important, but that doesn't mean you're sunk if you don't get Carey Price or Henrik Lundqvist. There are a lot of really good goalies in the NHL. Enough for everyone in our league to get a very good-to-elite starter and a capable backup or two.

As I explained in the categories primer, some goalies (like Corey Schneider) will have stellar GAA and SV% numbers, even if the Devils don't get as many wins as the Rangers. If you drafted him, you'd have a pretty good shot to win 2 out of the 3 goalie categories that will always register every night or two (shutouts are a rare stat that only happens occasionally). Therefore, Schneider is a great fantasy goalie, even if he's not raking in the wins.

But I'll stop babbling until I know more about the specific problem you're having.

Re: Fantasy Hockey

From: (Anonymous)
Sorry for not being more specific. In the mock draft there is a standings option that shows how all the teams would rank after the drafting process is done. I always end up in about 8th place in the standings when I'm using the previous year's standing.s

Re: Fantasy Hockey

From: (Anonymous)
nayrt

to me that does kind of indicate that you're valuing goalies too highly, yeah - assuming that you're not counting on many of your F or D really improving this season. (Like, if you drafted McDavid the ranking would calculate him as giving you no points, but he's probably good for at least 40.)

Re: Fantasy Hockey

From: (Anonymous)
C!N

Ah, okay. To be honest, I've never looked at those rankings. After a mock draft, I look at the team I wound up with mostly to see how I might want to tweak my list. Who's too low, who doesn't need to be so high for me to still get a good chance at getting them, etc.

I do look at the numbers for all the guys who were drafted onto my team, because even though I'm pretty familiar with who the good players are, I don't know all the numbers of every player. I see if the numbers look better or worse than I thought and maybe I adjust that player on my list.

As for goalies, the way I look at it, there are a handful of absolute studs (3, maybe 4). If you really want them, you should rank them about where you could take them in the second round (between 10 and 20). Then you should have a bit larger handful (maybe 5 or 6) of really good guys--guys who will do well in all three common categories and get you a shutout or two--whom you will rate around the 4th or 5th round (so, 40-60).

Then, put all the other goalies you could possibly want in the 6th round (60-70). There will be a lot of guys in this last group. Guys who may not have the best SV% or GAA but who are decent and will get a lot of wins (Frederick Andersen, Jaroslav Halak) because they play behind a great team. Or, maybe it's a guy who plays on a team with a great defensive system, but they can't score, so his stats will be great, but his wins might not be amazing.

Given the size of our leagues, the worst you will wind up with is one guy from the second group and one guy from the third group (and maybe a third guy from the 3rd group if Yahoo insists on choosing three goalies for you--you can waive one for a free agent skater later if you don't want to carry 3 goalies).

There are other strategies to use, of course, and you don't have to do it this way, but this can help ease your mind about the level of concern you need to have about where you're drafting goalies.

And never forget that someone is ALWAYS going to be a surprise, your rosters aren't set in stone, and shuffling around after the draft--whether through trades or free agency--is a huge part of the fun of the game!

I hope this helped!

Re: Fantasy Hockey

From: (Anonymous)
This is super helpful! I think I figured out why yahoo drafts 3 goalies in a row for me all the time - I can't group them together or they get prioritized over everybody else.

Re: Fantasy Hockey

From: (Anonymous)
Commish!Nonnie

I'm glad it helped!

Yes, if you bunch all your goalies together--especially if you do it fairly high--Yahoo will draft them until you have no more goalie slots.

The same is true of all positions, really, so it's important to vary your position players in tiers. The top level should be stud forwards, regardless of position, who will be game changers: your Ovechkins, Crosbys, Seguins, etc. All the usual suspects who are basically locks to score tons of points. Then do elite D--but only a couple! Then elite goalies. Then do really good centers that you really want. Then wings. Then D again, then goalies again, etc.

They don't have to be in solid blocks, but if you envision your rankings like rounds (at the moment, both leagues have 10 teams each, so a round will be 1-10--remember that if you wind up picking 10th in the first round, you'll pick again at #11, because of the 1-10, 10-1, 1-10, etc, snake format) and group guys within those rounds, you'll have a better idea of where you might be taking a guy.

Of course, if you have 5 goalies grouped in round 3, and no one takes them all, you will likely wind up with another goalie in round 4 (as you discovered. :) )

Re: Fantasy Hockey

From: (Anonymous)
Thanks for explaining how the goalie rankings work. It really helps for me.

Re: Fantasy Hockey

From: (Anonymous)
C!N

Delighted to help! Don't hesitate to ask if there's some other aspect that you think would be helpful to know more about.