dekedangle_rpfanon | #11 - Kopitar Prefers Amps That Go to Eleven

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Not wank, genuine question, but what's up with using the word "gross" in this way? It's everywhere. English is not my native language and gross to me is just something that smells/taste bad. idk

I guess in this context it's being used like a milder form of "disgusting", but I guess that wouldn't make much sense either because disgusting is also usually a food/taste thing. I've honestly never thought about this before.

SA- I just looked it up and found "gravely deficient in civility or decency" which is close to how we're using it I suppose.

DA

It's kind of a casual phrase. I think it's mostly because "offensive" or "homophobic" can seem too clinical/formal. And some other words like disgusted, repulsed, etc can seem too extreme.

I guess there's also "problematic" that could be used, but that one seems kind of annoying (and I don't really know describe why but I just get that feeling).

I always feel "problematic" is a cop-out word because you're not actually addressing what is wrong. You can't have frank discussion when the word is in play.

"This is problematic" = a statement, sometimes an under- or overstatement. Make your claim. Where's the rhetoric skills?

(e.g., The use of the bindi as a fashion statement is insensitive and strips it of its cultural and religious significance.

Counterargument: the bindi has been trending away as a symbol of Hinduism for decades. Other South Asian groups wear it, including men, in a variety of styles.)

DA

agreed. It's a weasel word. Problematic just means that there is a problem somewhere within it. But what is the problem? It shouldn't be, though is sometimes treated as, a be-all-end-all statement.

We use it as a less intense form of the word "repulsive" when we say it's grossing us out.

It only really started being used with regularity in fandom communities to refer to people during the great LJ social justice renaissance/plague (good: heightened social awareness. bad: using the trappings of heightened social awareness to disguise the same stupid fandom drama you always had.)

It caught on because it was one of the very few sanitized ways to insult people, as far as I can tell. Ugly was discriminatory, stupid was ableist, bitch was sexist, etc. etc. insults kept being scratched off the list and gross was one of the few safe ones left.

The usage in common parlance has gone way down since the lj community quietly picked themselves off the floor after the feeding frenzy of self-righteousness took its course, which I view as a good thing because my GOD I was fucking tired of that word by the third week in.

I use gross in this context all the time irl, I don't think it's a fandom term

It's not just a fandom term, for sure, but in the context of being applied to problematic behavior in the lj-and-now-tumblr community it's become a staple.

Yeah, is this not common usage? To me something gross is something that evokes disgust. Like if you saw a dog pooping you could say, ew, gross. If you saw a picture of a man popping a pimple, ew, gross. Someone defending a rapist and or aggressively tinhatting, ew, gross.

nayrt This is probably the most common usage. I honestly have no idea where person two up from you is coming from.

I'm from scandinavia and we would use words like awful, terrible, horrible. Not gross and disgusting ect. That's why it's a bit to me.

a bit weird to me.*

People from North America do that, too, but gross and disgusting are meant to invoke the senses of smell and taste. It's more intense and personally offensive.

I'm from Scandinavia too, and yes we do use gross in this way. Væmmelig and frastødende to mean a feeling of repulsion more broadly, but ulækker is more restricted to taste, smell and sex appeal, in my experience. Which country are you from?

Not that anon, but google translate gave me and "eländig" for "ulækker" which just means miserable in swedish and not what you descried it means in danish.

And "beastly" for "væmmelig" ?? Odd, haha.

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The word gross as an insult is 200% not a fandom thing, and this instance isn't even using gross as an insult. It's a descriptor of the feeling something gives you. That is also an incredibly common usage in the English language. This entire comment reads like its from a different planet.

lol I understand the usage of the word in such a sentence, just wondering why and where it came from, cus' I never recall it being used so frequently on the internet a few years ago.

Anon from another planet:

That's what I thought you were asking, so that's what I tried to answer.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think your answer was more about sneaking in that "from another planet" line.

Huh. I'd noticed the uptick in usage in fandom spaces vs brickspace ones, but the search for -ism free negative words hadn't clicked for me as a contributing factor. Thanks for pointing that out.

Oh, brother. Gross meaning icky is not a fandom thing or an LJ thing or a social justice thing.

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