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Re: General fandom discussion

From: (Anonymous)
Yeah, I don't get it either. I just hope that isn't the only ad for a Finnish player that we get.

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
Besides the dubiousness of "how can you expect anyone to act differently? all 29 other teams would do the same!!!" when your team is criticized for defending unconscionable plays -- didn't the Pens make some pretty critical comments after a James Neal suspension about Neal's hit being unacceptable and him needing to learn from the suspension and clean up his game? (Am I imagining that? Paging Pens fans.) At any rate, obviously saying something like that after a suspension is different from saying it before DoPS has made any decisions, but even "it was unfortunate" would have been infinitely better than what Trotz actually said, especially considering this is the second time in two games his team's committed a suspension-worthy offense.

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
The Pens also employed Matt Cooke for years.

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
NAYRT I don't remember what the Pens specifically said about one particular dirty hit from James Neal, or any of the others and I assure you there were plenty of others. He particularly liked knee into head and jumping into hits. What did they say about Orpik's hits when he was there? What about Matt Cooke's or Maxime LaPierre or Steve Downie?

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
As someone who hates both teams, they can both be really shitty and inexcusable at the same time.

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
The Caps aren't my team, actually, and I wasn't trying to justify their reaction so much as put it in context. Yes, it is still shitty when teams do this (which is why I said people are justified being upset), but teams and coaches don't generally criticize their players publicly about anything unless they're making a point. This is not something uniquely horrible about the Caps or Trotz, which some nonnies were acting like was the case.

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
No one is saying that the Caps are the only dirty team and the Pens have never, ever have dirty players or defended them in their history. Obviously not. I was just contesting the idea that the only possible, expected response to a bad hit is *mumble mumble excuses excuses.*

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
AYRT Yes, that's the fucking point! Acting like Trotz is some kind of special evil is stupid, when all coaches and teams support their own player in the moment.

Look, I'm not defending the Caps or trying to hate on the Pens. This is just how it works. Claude Julien or now Darryl Sutter don't come out after a game and go "Yeah, that Milan Lucic, what an asshole, am I right, guys?"

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
Steve Downie didn't do anything egregious when he was with the Pens. He earned most of his PIMs fighting or losing his mind at the refs.

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
This line of reasoning just reminds me of all the people defending Shaw because hurr durr everybody does it. That doesn't make it any less shitty and people can be upset about it without you jumping in "But your team does it too!"

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
AYRT Yeah, that's my point. But I still think you're being ridiculous to expect anything else from the NHL. Did Torts publically rip Dubinsky a new one for crosschecking Crosby? Did Julien ever come out after a game and say that Lucic was a fucking lunatic who should be stopped? Did the coaches of the Wild or the Coyotes ever call out Matt Cooke for trying to end players' careers when he was on their teams?

Do you honestly think that Darryl Sutter or Michel Therrien or Lindy Ruff or Mike Sullivan would have given any other response to what happened in the last couple games?

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
kinda ot- but sometimes I wonder what would have been if it was Kane in Shaw's place instead..

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
I didn't say that it wasn't shitty or that people couldn't be mad about it. And the Caps aren't my team.

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
Hearing for Orpik. That's at least five games, right? Is it like other suspensions, so those five games are actually two or three playoff games? IDK how that works.

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
(DA)

THIS so hard.

Not a Pens or Caps fan but have had cause this season to be pissed about "wow, that was fucking dirty" directed at my team. And I know my team's not comprised of perfect clean angels themselves, but when it's one of my guys who's struggling to get up so he can go off to the quiet room because a fandom favorite decided he was an acceptable target of a totally pointless why-would-you-EVEN-do-that dirty play, it sucks.

And it sucks even more when the fandom favorite's coach is completely shitty and obnoxious about the situation.

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
DA

But they should and hoping that is not ridiculous. And saying something is "unfortunate" is lightyears away from saying it was "playing the right way". For me "unfortunate" is still something that makes me sad and hoping for the fucking better future, but "playing the right way" is just shitty, no matter who the coach saying it after the dirty hit is, and I'm going to be frustrated and sad about it, no matter how ridiculous that may feel.

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
I'd be surprised if he gets more than one, since that's how these things usually work. I think the last player to get more than one playoff game was Torres (but I could be wrong or forgetting something) and I'm assuming it's a phone hearing since it's happening so quickly, which means fewer games.

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
No, they're required to offer a player an in-person hearing if they want to give him 5+ games. A phone hearing means a possible suspensions of up to four.

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
Riiiiiight... Is it definitely a phone hearing? My alert just said 'hearing.'

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
I doubt anyone is actually surprised by Trotz's comments. And I don't think Pens fans could ever accuse him of being the only one to ever do that, not after they've been jammed up about Torts and Dubinsky for the same thing since December. The fact remains, though, that there ARE examples where coaches have publicly acknowledged bad hits. So saying that no coach ever would is untrue and derailing. And "everyone one else would do the same!" is a not a good reason to not be critical of particular instances when they happen.

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
IME if it's an in-person hearing then that's specified everywhere, but I can't say for sure they never leave that part off.

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
And saying something is "unfortunate" is lightyears away from saying it was "playing the right way".

THIS THANK YOU.

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
It's almost definitely a phone hearing (usually is unless specified otherwise). Not just because the Caps play tomorrow, so they have to do it quickly, but DoPS seems to value 1 playoff game as 5 regular season games, and there's no way in hell they plan to suspend him for more than 5 playoff games.

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
+1

No one has even said that this attitude is typical to Trotz only or, FFS, even rare. Just that it's shitty.

Re: Game Day Thread April 30, 2016

From: (Anonymous)
+1

Also deflecting blame onto the player who was hit by saying that the head contact was caused by Maatta leaning down. Plays into the gross idea that player safety is the responsibility of players who just need to keep their heads up.