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This is the twenty-third post of Deke Dangle RPF Anon, a community for all your ice hockey anon meme needs.

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Re: Random Thread

From: (Anonymous)
This should so be in Fandom Goggles.

Re: Fandom Venting

From: (Anonymous)
NA

There's a difference between criticism and analysis and saying that something shouldn't exist, though.

Re: Random Thread

From: (Anonymous)
Why isn't there more fic for these two!?

Re: Hockey Articles/Media

From: (Anonymous)
I thought the Shattenkirk stuff and the stuff about the Sharks PP was good.

Re: Fandom Venting

From: (Anonymous)
NA

+1 and I think this is becoming increasingly more accepted. People should, and now do, police fic that's racist or fic that's about Patrick Kane. Does this increased policing mean that some people feel within rights to police kinks and ships? Probably. But I'm okay with that because I'm sure it's part of the reason there's less misogyny, for example, in slash fic. Top/bottom dynamics being increasingly divorced from superficial factors. More fic about ace and aro people and poly relationships. Sure it's occasionally taken too far, but I'm quite thankful to tumblr culture for promoting quality control and evolution in fandom.

Re: Fandom Venting

From: (Anonymous)
quality control

Oh JFC.

Re: Hockey Articles/Media

From: (Anonymous)
I like the recognition of Shattenkirk, but they were way underselling Pietrangelo (or, you know, almost completely ignoring him). And I can't tell if it was just weird wording, but they seemed to imply that Shattenkirk is the Blues #1 shut down guy, which... no. He is very much not a shut down defenseman, which is fine, because he's very good at what he does! I love him and all, but the defensive side of his game has a lot of weaknesses.

Re: Fandom Venting

From: (Anonymous)
You sound like you haven't been in fandom for more than a few years, honestly, because these conversations have been going on for years, pre-Tumblr, even, and the fact that they are new to you doesn't make them new.

Re: Fandom Venting

From: (Anonymous)
Hee. I lost it when they claimed there was less misogyny in fic. I am suspicious of the idea this person was active in fanfic in the 90s and has an actual basis for comparison of how fandom has changed.

Re: Fandom Venting

From: (Anonymous)
MTE.

Re: Hockey Articles/Media

From: (Anonymous)
da

I haven't read this article, but that sounds like to me they did a lot of word association and name recognition--the Blues have a great shutdown defense, quick name a dman on the team who's gotten some media buzz this year and then equate the two.

Re: Fandom Venting

From: (Anonymous)
...eight years ago was in the late 00s. Where fandom was just picking up on tumblr. They have no basis for comparison other than being exposed to older archives.

Re: Fandom Venting

From: (Anonymous)
NA Yup. And I remember there being a lot more poly fic back in the day, tbh, at least in the fandoms I read.

Re: Fandom Venting

From: (Anonymous)
There's nothing wrong with criticism or analysis, or, to my mind, politely calling something out if there's a huge problem, where that call-out concerns the text. There is something wrong with policing what types of fic should or shouldn't exist, especially when some corners of fandom have taken everything to such ludicrous extremes. Infidelity fic can't exist now, at least between fandom faves? Really? Any interpersonal conflict threatens the sanctity of one's OTP?

And kink fic is somewhat more impervious to criticism than other stories, because if you tell someone their mind control magical feminization misogyny kink fic is somewhat fucked up ... there's a good chance they know that and are actively engaging with that fucked-up-ness more than someone who's just writing a player being a huge, gross asshole to an unnamed girl in a club without questioning that in-fic, which could absolutely happen in a HEA fic. What people kink on and why and how kinks develop in response to societal pressures is an interesting conversation to have, but enforcing fluff-only takes on certain ships, which are, at the end of the day, simply a different form of fantasy, is not part of that conversation. Or any conversation.

Re: Fandom Venting

From: (Anonymous)
And a lot more gen fic and case fic, etc. etc. The issue in wanting more variety in fic is that you have to not have very narrow definitions of acceptability. The mentality that defines what is OK in fictional depiction is the same mentality that limits variety in fic, and the fact that they profess to want more varieties of fic and not want certain things to exist shows that they actually don't.

If you want more poly and ace and etc. fic, you gotta be OK with people tackling those topics in a way you don't approve of, since not every attempt will be successful. The 'write more kinds of stuff but only exactly within these narrow confines of acceptability' is exactly the kind of thinking that leads to less variety of fic.

Re: Fandom Venting

From: (Anonymous)
I tried a year or two ago to re-read one of her fics that I remember loving back then and yeah, it no longer appealed to me. So I closed out the tab and decided to just look back on it with nostalgia and leave it alone. (Oh jeez, I remember that fic. And I remember enjoying it. I was Too Young back then.)

It's sadly not that good. I've tried to read it. It does make me sad because, yeah -- any other fandom and it would be a juggernaut. If you transplanted those two into hockey rpf there'd probably already be a hundred fics and counting about them.

Re: Random Thread

From: (Anonymous)
Sadly, I believe the answer is "because fandom doesn't care about the Ducks."

Re: Fandom Venting

From: (Anonymous)
Conor Sheary: the new Beau Bennett on the kink meme.

Re: Hockey Articles/Media

From: (Anonymous)
I think that's probably a lot of it, since they really played up the Blues defense, which makes sense, given that they're a team known for being strong defensively. But then they didn't seem to actually know that much about them defensively.

Also, like I said this may just be weird wording, but this is what I was talking about, since it seems to equate Shattenkirk with being a #1 shutdown guy, which is really bizarre:

In the Eastern Conference Preview, we talked about how rare it is for a defenseman to be a team’s offensive creator and also to be a No. 1 shutdown guy. There’s one guy I left out of that discussion who is playing in this series. Shattenkirk has really impressed me this season.

Re: Fandom Venting

From: (Anonymous)
If it leads to some hot fic, I'm cool with that.

Re: Fandom Venting

From: (Anonymous)
And how many of those kids lied about their age or read fic that was clearly marked 18+ or adult material. Adults should be allowed to produce adult material for other adults without worrying how it will affect kids who are both not supposed to be there and explicitly told to go away.

Re: Fandom Venting

From: (Anonymous)
LOL, he's been suggested for an "any" prompt exactly twice. Stand down, nonnie.

Re: Fandom Venting

From: (Anonymous)
I think things are a bit different now -- like, I would actively attempt to make sure a kid didn't read explicit fic; if they find it, whatever, but I'm not going to be involved in it. On the other hand, though, I discovered fic (RPF, even) when I was like 14/15 and people on a message board I frequented were talking about it. I asked wtf they were talking about, I was sent links, even though the person who sent me a link knew I was that young.

Re: Fandom Venting

From: (Anonymous)
Even the Cubs' official twitter is shippy about Bryzzo.

Re: Hockey Articles/Media

From: (Anonymous)
I'd guess that was the ghostwriter editing out some conversational filler and condensing some of the conversation.