#26 — Vanek! with a Jurco

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Re: Fic Discussion - an island entire of itself

[(Anonymous)]

The problem isn't that bad things can't happen in both reality and fiction. My objection obviously isn't to historical fiction, it's to fiction that rewrites a real history so that its victims are now a different group of people, or include a different group of people. It's really fucking obvious you didn't actually mean First Nations players in your comment, which as you said yourself, was adding a non-content heavy "let's link this to the history of colonialism" about a general discussion that was definitely more clearly linked to white Canadians than it was to First Nations people (race wasn't specified, but the general group of hockey players is largely white, and the conversation sprang from a discussion of Crosby/Malkin). That shouldn't have to be something that is teased out in the "minutiae," because there's a huge difference between writing First Nations players into that story versus hockey players in general, and writing it with First Nations people (or at least POC who were also historically victimized in the process of colonialism) is the only way in which it's not terribly offensive.

I don't know why you feel the need to insult my knowledge of "two aspects" of Canadian history. The fact that I haven't chosen to write a dissertation in my comment has no bearing on the shittiness of yours. Honestly, if now you're saying "it'd obviously be the First Nations people," all you had to say is that now that you've actually given it some thought (obviously you hadn't if you call this sitting around poking at minutiae), you realize it this should be specifically about First Nations people, instead of this strawman, backpeddling bullshit where your critics just don't have the capacity of imagination to deal with the existence of historical fiction and "hockey players in general" is clearly supposed to be understood as "First Nations hockey players but not Crosby"... right... I'm not sure what "conclusion" you managed to come to all by yourself if you still haven't realized why it's gross to make race a "minutiae" in a fictional history of colonialism.

Re: Fic Discussion - an island entire of itself

[(Anonymous)]

Just... LMAO. I already wasn't really planning on whatever defensive crap you spewed next, but just for the heck of it, I'm going to emphasize that you can't read my mind. You are putting words into my mouth to fit your argument.

You couldn't have known, and are wrong about, me "really fucking obvious"ly not giving any consideration to First Nations people. It is not backpedaling to say that I came to a similar conclusion about what werebeaver hunting would mean in colonial Canada. We could have agreed if you had decided on any other track than insulting my intelligence and assuming the absolute worst of my intentions at every opportunity (since, hey, I was talking myself actually knowing a thing or two, but it's not shocking at this point that you managed to turn that around). If you had said, "French colonialists hunting (were)beavers to near extinction could be an extension of the drain they put on First Nation lives and resources," or something Carey Price not feeling safe in Montreal, or anything at all that established this mutually reached conclusion, I could have said, "Yes, exactly!". But instead you appointed yourself a "critic" over a conversation partner, and decided to spend however many comments with your I'm-educating-a-racist-idiot glasses on while (at this point, I can only assume) deliberately building up things that were not meant.

So, really, really, you had no way of knowing my intention, and I'd say way you went around trying to figure it out the wrong way if I actually thought you had any interest in understanding me. It's still honestly baffling that you tried to say your replies were polite, or anything short of pure condescension.

Re: Fic Discussion - an island entire of itself

[(Anonymous)]

If you "came to similar conclusion" (which you only stated after the critique of your first comment), it follows that the first comment wasn't referring to First Nations people (because why wouldn't you have specified otherwise?), and therefore the criticism of it was fair. "French colonialists hunting (were)beavers to near extinction could be an extension of the drain they put on First Nation lives and resources" STILL has the same problems if those werebeavers are in fact white Canadians. This was not a "mutually reached conclusion" if you didn't state a correction to your comment before someone criticized you, and because every step of the way you have defended yourself through disingenuity and bending logic. You're essentially saying "I already knew that! You're being mean!" to someone pointing out what it wasn't at all evident that you knew. I'm sorry if you feel personally attacked, but your comments are open to criticism on their own grounds, and regardless of what you "meant" or intended, it doesn't change the fact the effect your comment had. I'm not sure why you think someone's first interest should be in "understanding you," rather than pointing out what they perceive to be a racist line of thinking.

Re: white-washing -- you honestly think someone who is trying to point out your erasure of First Nations people by headcanoning an AU where white people could potentially be victims of colonialism, too, has overlooked the fact that there are First Nations hockey players? The existence of Carey Price and a handful of others doesn't mean that "hockey players in general" can stand in as "victims of colonialism" when "hockey players in general" are overwhelmingly white even when they aren't Sidney Crosby. Like, the fact that you are still trying to argue this makes me question what conclusions you think you've reached, tbh. You can't possible expect anyone to believe you were thinking of the history First Nations people playing hockey in the context of hockey rpf fic about werebeavers.

Re: Fic Discussion - an island entire of itself

[(Anonymous)]

Just. Just take a second and realize how ridiculous this whole argument is.