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#26 — Vanek! with a Jurco

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Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
What numbers? I'm seeing that the first line + RNH are the only NA forwards with >50 score-adj SF%.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 04:40 am (UTC)(link)
NA, but would you be willing to share where you got those stats? I'm dying over here with the barebone box scores.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
ayrt

I don't have the raw data, but I've been looking at @IneffectiveMath's charts from the game: https://twitter.com/IneffectiveMath/status/778065966387331072

(Also this isn't to say that people shouldn't question the decision to shorten the bench -- Matthews and McDavid are young guys, with very little NHL experience, playing back to back, and the team is stacked with talent. But I haven't seen stats yet that bear out that another line was more effective.)

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
The whole team played better in the third, though - Larkin was benched when none of them were, so we don't know if he would have had the chance to be better.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 05:35 am (UTC)(link)
ayrt

Again, I'm not saying the benching was the right decision (I think it was silly), but Larkin along with Eichel had the lowest possession % (~20%) among NA forwards through two periods. (The Drouin benching was more of a mystery to me, totally unfathomable.)

My only point is that there are stats suggesting that McDavid's line was the best one, so I think it's unfair to answer the question "Are there legitimate reasons to play McDavid more than others or is this just asshole coaching?" with the assumption that the only reason McLellan gave more time to McDavid was because of favoritism of a player on his NHL team, and to say that "numbers" don't back it up.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 05:42 am (UTC)(link)
FWIW I'm not the anon who originally said that, so I don't know if they're talking about in this game or overall.

McDavid's line was definitely the best in this game, but that also seems to be the result of the third period, once the various benchings happened. So for this game specifically - who knows. But I do think they should have played them less in the third if only so they wouldn't have been gassed by the time the goalie was pulled.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 05:46 am (UTC)(link)
http://hockeystats.ca/game/2016060106 has the team shot attempts for and against by period, at least.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
ayrt

Oh yeah, I didn't think you were! Just giving the context for my comments about McDavid's line and their stats. Based on this game, if I had to pick a top line, it would be McDavid's, so even if they were talking overall, not about this game, imo it's strange timing to suggest nothing sets McDavid apart/justifies him getting more ice time. Which doesn't mean I agree with the player usage in terms of ice time, because I agree, they were gassed by the end, and also on the second half of a back-to-back.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
ayrt

And if you look over the whole tournament, they have all these great forwards, I don't think McDavid deserves as much ice time as he's gotten when other people have been scoring too (ie the power play time he was fed in one of the exhibition games when the second unit was the one getting shots off).

I also think playing any forward almost ten minutes in the third is ridiculous. Shortening the bench makes sense when you're down and your fourth line has the likes of Tanner Glass on it, not multiple 20-goal scorers.

Anyway, my personal complaint this game was more McLellan starting the same goalie on the second half of the back to back. He could have avoided needing to shorten his bench at all!

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 06:23 am (UTC)(link)
ayrt

Starting Murray back-to-back was just silly. Not just because if you have a couple of reasonably good goalies, why make one play back-to-back? but also, the playoffs showed that fatigue is definitely an issue for Murray.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 06:26 am (UTC)(link)
ayrt

Right? You know fatigue is an issue for goalies back to back, you know Murray has fatigue issues, and you have Gibson and Hellebuyck. Not like it's Pavelec as the other option...

They also put Murray in after he jammed his finger, then pulled him. So dumb.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 05:05 am (UTC)(link)
ayrt

Thanks! That's much more info than I had before.

Also, ouch, that graph seems to be suggesting Eichel should have been benched over Drouin. I thought he looked a little rough during the second period, but not worse than anyone else.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 05:14 am (UTC)(link)
This is score-adjusted and even strength, though, he looked better on the PP. I'm not sure how many minutes he got EV.

Wonder if the two big hits took a while to shake off, too.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 05:19 am (UTC)(link)
SA

I should add I question shortening the bench at all

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 05:25 am (UTC)(link)
a-ayrt-rt

Eyeballing @IneffectiveMath's player usage chart, Eichel got very little EV time, less than anyone except Larkin. He played around 14 minutes, of which it looks like ~8 were EV and ~6 were PP.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 05:33 am (UTC)(link)
ayrt

I'd suspect most of those EV minutes were from the first two periods. I believe after the second Ghost was the only player with a positive 5v5 Corsi, though I can't find the tweet.

I think Eichel also had a long shift when Gibson was pulled.