dekedangle_rpfanon | #29 – Lay, Lie, or Laine?

#29 – Lay, Lie, or Laine?

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DA

Being a Democrat and being an alcoholic rapist isn't contradictory, and pretending otherwise is inaccurate. And bizarre.

AYRT

I didn't say the two are mutually exclusive at all, and I don't believe that. I just think it's ridiculous what people will pull out of their ass to defend this prick and state it with authority.

Kane is a rich, white, blatantly racist, entitled frat boy. I don't think there's definitive proof either way until he puts on his MAGA hat, but those qualities do lean right on average.

"but those qualities do lean right on average"

They really don't and saying otherwise is what allows people on the left to get away with shit like that. I've met so many leftist guys that are incredibly racist & sexist, but when you call them out on it get indignant because "I'm a liberal of how dare you accuse me of being __-ist!!"

da

I agree with you completely specifically about this, but re: a bit further upthread, I also think it's fair to assume concocting a groundless fantasy about Kane being a Democrat because he's friends with Toews, who would never!! makes the entire comment come off as an attempt to invent a narrative where Kane is a better person than he really is. If it were just about establishing facts, it would be enough to say that his family is publicly known to be Democrat and that could possibly have some bearing on his political allegiances. Pointing out the ugliness of such blatant ~reaching to invent this narrative about someone so awful isn't the same as saying that Democrats can't be awful, too.

Sadly, sometimes being a leftist/liberal/Democrat (all using the US standard meaning of these terms since we started this at PKane) pretty much just means "I want legal weed". It is definitely no barrier to assorted isms ime.

There are NHL dudes that I would be legitimately sad about finding out they're shittier than dudebro baseline, but in general my expectations for rich athletes are ridiculously low. (Half my faves couldn't have voted for Trump because they're not American but I'm sure they're *all* friends with at least a couple dudes who did.)

Legal Weed? That's the last thing I'd bring up as a sign of being a leftist, since it's got so many supporters among the right.

Wait, really? I'm intrigued. Where I am, that's definitely a left position. Unless you mean the libertarian support for it?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/12/support-for-marijuana-legalization-continues-to-rise/

For example, in this poll 33 percent of "Conservative Republicans" favor legalizing marijuana. Yeah, that's a minority, but it's still 1 out of 3.

Thanks, nonny, that is interesting! But at the same time, I wouldn't say that makes legal weed party-agnostic. Pew Research also says 33% of Republicans (29% of conservatives; this one wasn't broken down into "conservative Republicans" specifically) favor same-sex marriage, but I'd still say that's a liberal position. http://www.pewforum.org/2016/05/12/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

""but those qualities do lean right on average"

They really don't and saying otherwise is what allows people on the left to get away with shit like that. "

DA is never going to pretend the political left can't be all these things but it's bullshit to suggest they're not more common among the right.

But of course, that's *statistics*. Kane being statistically more likely to be right wing doesn't mean he *is* right wing. Art Ross winners are statistically more likely to be Canadian, but Kane is American.

Anon AYRT RT

THANK YOU. I also liked how they replied to something I said which can be supported by numbers with anecdota. Good argument!

Liberals can suck, especially rich white male liberals. But pretending they're just as likely to suck as right wingers just because you happen to know some sucky ones is just factually incorrect. It's so incorrect it almost feels like a false narrative constructed (by another sucky liberal!) to defend a rapist...

Read the last paragraph again before painting yourself as the fountain of logical deductions. The topic of discussion is one person in particular, who could very well be an outlier. Not even a far one, since there is already a known handful of liberal hockey players who more or less went through the same development as him. It is perfectly feasible for him to be liberal- which, again, has nothing to do with defending him as a rapist, oh my god.

Anon AYRT RT

I'm not trying to defend him. At all. Cool ad hominem attack!! I just disagree with the claim you made. Quantifying overt racist and sexist beliefs with data is possible. Survey results, election results. Not disputing that. ("Suck" is also a relative term but sure you're much more factual than I am) My point is that liberals and everyone else, are just as likely to be shitty people. They're not less likely to be rapists. They're not less likely to be abusers.

NA

Assuming bad qualities are more common on the right just because you dislike/disagree with people on the right is exactly what is wrong with politics and personal bias.

There are just as many terrible democrats as there are republicans and just as many terrible people in other parties. Pretending otherwise does not fix the many problems that exist in this country and the world.

That's so deep. You are so right. Wow, bad people come from both parties, that is such a revelation. Thanks for enlightening us.

In this specific instance, Kane's bad qualities, circumstances, and particular brand of racism lend themselves to the right. I know I just made five bad Democrats hatch from Tim Kaine's nest by typing that sentence, but I'll just have to live with that guilt I guess. Bad people can be Democrats but this bad person is probably a Republican.

da

You have absolutely no reason to think that past your own wish for him to be, because rich white guy=Republic is a gross, inaccurate simplification, but after so many days and so many people telling you so, it's pretty clear you're a lost cause.

AYRT

But I'm not saying ALL bad qualities are more common on the right. I'm saying:

"rich, white, blatantly racist, entitled frat boy"

tends right, and I can provide statistical evidence for rich, white, male, and blatantly racist. Entitled is probably even stevens, though.

Non-blatant racism is a little trickier - I wouldn't be surprised if racist views and preconceptions were held equally among white people all over the political map. But blatant racism, such as suppressing minority votes and rhetoric about thugs and building a wall on the Mexican border - that's definitely more common on the right.

Things like sexual fidelity, financial honesty, personal cleanliness, many other qualities, these don't have a left-right skew that I'm aware of. Civil rights absolutely do.

NA

I can't even remember your original point? Was it you who said that Kane was bound to be a supporter of Trump and saying otherwise is pulling crap from nowhere to defend him? Or am I getting my nonnies confused?

I was "statistically it's more likely, but statistically Kane's also more likely to be Canadian" anon.

SA unless you're trying to figure out who I was earlier in the thread. I wasn't, I only joined to defend statistics. I don't have an opinion on Kane's political allegiance, if any.

AYRT

No one is defending him, and you saying that makes it pretty clear that you are conflating the two. Assume I say doesn't make him less of a rapist after every sentence fragment here- there are plenty of rich, white, blatantly racist, entitled frat boys who are still left-leaning, especially if they grew up in a pointedly political family in a steady blue area. He clearly had a lot of respect for his grandparents. While there is little doubt playing hockey drenched him toxic ideas about... everything, I doubt much of it was specifically, politically charged enough to convince him to stray from their legacy. As you can read in the article linked above, hockey players generally just aren't that engaged.

Mostly, though, I just don't believe this thread is based on much more than desperately trying to shove him off our side, which really isn't good for much of anything.

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