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Re: Hockey Articles and Journalism

From: (Anonymous)
“[Having a victim speak] would likely have an impact. It has more of an impact coming from someone that has been through it for sure,” said another.

But one NHL veteran told us he didn’t believe the message would resonate because, in theory, the players are already aware of what not to do.

“I don’t know if that would help. Honestly probably not. I don’t think it would. I think every guy in the locker room knows it’s not OK and I don’t know … I don’t think it would,” he said.


While the idea of having a survivor speak to the players about what she's experienced does have certain merit, I'm sadly kind of inclined to agree with the second guy (not so much on the fact that 'every guy in the locker room knows it's not OK though). I think the ones who do pay attention and take it to heart are probably the ones who would never have even thought to hurt someone like that in the first place.

For the others who don't have qualms about hurting someone (the ones we should really be worried about) whether it's through domestic violence or sexual assault, I kind of doubt hearing a survivor talk will leave much of an impact or lasting impression on them. It's probably not going to make them decide "oh hey, this is wrong of me and I'm totally not going to do anything terrible anymore."

I think it'd be more helpful if people just stopped being able to get away with their crimes and actually get convicted and serve time.

Re: Hockey Articles and Journalism

From: (Anonymous)
I think that second quotes jives with what the counselor(?) nonnie said a couple of posts ago, actually. I think the in-group/out-group of having a survivor is probably the biggest issue.

IMO, the problem is rooted a lot earlier and catching it at the NHL is a very impotent, last-ditch sort of effort.

Re: Hockey Articles and Journalism

From: (Anonymous)
The one thing I see helping is education about changing language, and recognizing when a situation is bad and how to defuse it. If the ones who aren't going to hurt anyone stop making rape jokes, tell their buddies to stop hitting on uninterested women in bars, or express disgust at abusive behaviors, then maybe the culture starts to shift. If that worked, at least the dangerous people don't have a free pass because ~~locker room.

I do think that there are athletes who just don't know that withholding money to control your spouse, or that pretending to use a condom but really not are still examples of DV and sexual assault. Education on that front might make some of them act better or recognize their peers being shitheads better.

Re: Hockey Articles and Journalism

From: (Anonymous)
Yeah improving the meetings isn't a bad idea, but I think the second person is probably closer to reality. If you're already evil enough to do these things, I don't know if anyone talking to you is going to give you an epiphany to stop. At best I would think that maybe it would help some of the others to notice warning signs and maybe report things more often or otherwise offer assistance to victims.

Re: Hockey Articles and Journalism

From: (Anonymous)
ayrt

If you're already evil enough to do these things, I don't know if anyone talking to you is going to give you an epiphany to stop. Exactly :( It's kind of sad to think that a bunch of grown up men have to be told explicitly that rape is very, very wrong.

I think it would also help if they made players more conscious of the things they say and do and become aware of things like victim blaming and how rape culture works and how prevalent it can be (like the anon above mentioned), especially in an environment like theirs.

Re: Hockey Articles and Journalism

From: (Anonymous)
I'm ready to believe there are dumbshits who don't realise there's anything wrong about, for example, fucking a girl who's barely coherent. It's possible that having it explained to him in small words will get him to a place where he decides to avoid doing that because he might get into trouble, if not to a place where he actually believes it's wrong.

Ditto stuff like domestic violence. Pointing to Voynov and saying "this can happen to you" may cause a guy to think twice before violence, even if he doesn't believe it's morally wrong.