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Re: Writing Questions + Tips - ESL characters
From: (Anonymous)I like this tip a lot. As a fan of a player who is ESL, many people who write him make him sound like a caveman or an idiot. If you can't take the time to study what is different about a player's speech, don't bother with the accent, IMO.
Re: Writing Questions + Tips - ESL characters
From: (Anonymous)Hmmmm. Well, I think studying how each person speaks is super important. ESL speakers do not all speak English exactly the same way. I'm really thrown, for example, by Ovechkins who sound exactly like fanon Geno. Ovechkin's English is more advanced, and he's probably not going to express the exact same things, either. They're different people.
I find that people memorize phrases, too. So they'll say a particular phrase perfectly every time even if it contains, say, pronouns they might drop otherwise. And if it's someone who rarely makes grammar mistakes, I'm probably going to focus on Things They Like to Say and How They Construct Their Correct Sentences, because even canonical errors will seem like typos if they're that uncommon. And I just feel that it's courteous to give someone better grammar than not. Plus, I feel like most players probably do speak better English to their teammates than to the press, when they have to be a bit more careful.
If you can't take the time to study what is different about a player's speech, don't bother with the accent, IMO.
Do you mean if you're not going to do your homework, don't write ESL characters? Because I would agree with that but not necessarily "If you don't want to your homework, just write them as fluent speakers."
I also think it's a good idea to check yourself every once in awhile, because it's easy to craft The Way You Write Person X, and it can drift away from how they actually speak over time.
Re: Writing Questions + Tips - ESL characters
From: (Anonymous)I agree with most of your points, especially about stock phrases, lack of grammar mistakes, and for writers to check in with their characterizaion/speech portrayal.
But, yes, I mean to forego any of the hallmarks of a particular language like syntax order, pronoun use (or lack thereof), and player-specific tics. I don't mean make them speak floridly and with arcane words and constructions. I mean, make them speak in simpler sentences than one might if one is writing them speaking to a countryman with English standing in for the native language.
I don't want to discourage people from writing ESL characters, and while I prefer if they put the effort in to get to know the character--including his speech patterns--I think simplifying the second language is a fine shortcut to take.
Re: Writing Questions + Tips - ESL characters
From: (Anonymous)"Have them speak simple, correct sentences" makes sense to me. At the very least, most readers aren't going to bump on that, though that's to a point. If you have someone who is very fluent speaking like that, it could be a bit weird.
I don't think anyone should be too afraid of screwing up to write an ESL character. All of us will likely mess up something at some point. But I do think watching a few things to figure out what kinds of things they say is a pretty bare minimum request that most people could undertake. At least if you're writing that person in a significant role.