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#16 – Luck Be a Ladd-y Tonight

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Re: Fic discussion - Restitution by hazel_3017

(Anonymous) 2015-11-10 02:23 am (UTC)(link)
I love Mad Max, but I don't need to read AUs of it. Also, much as it pains me to say this, I don't think it's a canon that is improved by a/b/o. It's already got so much gender stuff happening front and center, that a/b/o seems like a distraction.

IDK. Probably someone could do it in a way I'd enjoy, but the last Mad Max a/b/o I tried was a train wreck in so many ways, I'm not inclined to try again.

Re: Fic discussion - Restitution by hazel_3017

(Anonymous) 2015-11-10 05:15 am (UTC)(link)
I was pretty uncomfortable with the gender politics in general. Not only were all the brides male omegas, but the War Boys were almost all supportive of the Brides and organised their escape? That's, uh. A change from the movie, and not one that does it any favours as a fic.

Re: Fic discussion - Restitution by hazel_3017

(Anonymous) 2015-11-10 08:51 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't read this fic and don't plan to even tho I generally enjoy hazel (it's just fun smoopy fic generally for me, so I like it) and haven't seen MM but I think this is my feelings too? Like, the whole celebration of the movie was it's strong women and I have seen 2 fics, I think in this fandom, that redo the movie with ALL MEN. Which. Defeats the whole point, doesn't it? So maybe hazel felt omega=women enough for herself here, but, still, yikes

Re: Fic discussion - Restitution by hazel_3017

(Anonymous) 2015-11-10 03:04 pm (UTC)(link)
na

As a Bruins fan, I will say I enjoyed and appreciated that in this the Bruins are unexpectedly good guys. I did eventually give up because of the lack of women, though. It sounded like Taylor was going to show up, but I feel iffy about less-famous relatives as side characters anyway, so it wasn't going to help.

Re: Fic discussion - Restitution by hazel_3017

(Anonymous) 2015-11-10 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I was weirded out by how many people were good guys. I get the author wanted to minimize vilifying real players, but the War Boys organised the Brides' escape, Immortan's second in command was disgusted by his attitude to omegas and helped them escape, Immortan's doctor conspired with the Brides and escaped with them, Taylor's men were loyal to her and helped the Brides escape, Bullet Town were in a Han Solo paid for help role, even Claude as the Nux character wasn't particularly loyal to Immortan and wanted to escape with them, not recapture them.

When they eventually met up with Geno, he was instantly smitten with Sid who was instantly convinced he wouldn't hurt them and insisted he be taken along. Trust was instant and based on nothing.

These are all huge departures from the movie, and catastrophically weaken the story. In the movie, everyone is against Furiosa and the Brides. Her men eventually realise she's betraying Immortan Joe and turn on her. The War Boys are crazed cultists, and Nux is only able to begin questioning the system once he's out of it, a la the Matrix. There's a crucially important message about how the system crushes and distorts all those caught in it one way or another, and having every named War Boy hang on to their moral compass and already understand that women/omegas are not things destroys that message entirely.

The crucial relationship between Max and the women is learning to trust. They're both victims of a system that abuses and exploits their bodies, and when they first meet they're hostile and uninterested. Max simply does not care about the women. He doesn't care about their bodies or their souls, he doesn't want to own them or hurt them or save them, he's not attracted to any of them. He shoots at a bride, injuring her slightly, and is willing to leave them all to their fate in the desert. He would have, if the rig weren't locked. The rapid growth of trust between these desperate people is incredibly touching. (or I thought so, anyway.)

Having all these characters be good people who help each other from the start destroys any prospect of character growth. The journey is purely physical; no one really changes. It takes a really thorough and compassionate indictment of a system and makes it an indictment of one warlord's behaviour, and it draws the teeth from any critique of sexism, as literally everyone acknowledges Omegas Are Special Treasures.

Re: Fic discussion - Restitution by hazel_3017

(Anonymous) 2015-11-10 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)
bless

Re: Fic discussion - Restitution by hazel_3017

(Anonymous) 2015-11-10 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
sa


wait that sounds condescending but i mean it sincerely. i wish every fic critique could be like this one.

Re: Fic discussion - Restitution by hazel_3017

(Anonymous) 2015-11-10 03:45 pm (UTC)(link)
In what ways? /would like to write good fic critiques

Re: Fic discussion - Restitution by hazel_3017

(Anonymous) 2015-11-10 03:44 pm (UTC)(link)
ayrt

Like I said, I didn't finish, but I think in general it is not necessary for a fic that uses a particular movie setting to tell the same story the movie was telling. In fact, that seems kind of pointless and repetitive, and the resulting fic is bound to suffer when compared to the original. From what I did read, I agree with what you say about how this fic dismantled the critique of sexism and the character arcs presented in the original movie, but I don't consider that a bad thing in and of itself if an author is doing something else with the story instead.

Re: Fic discussion - Restitution by hazel_3017

(Anonymous) 2015-11-10 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
nayrt

Not if what the other thing she is doing is removing any emotional resonance. Like the ayrt said, the only journey happening is physical. Where's the growth? Where's the development of relationships? And tbh where's the adversity? The lack of it left me feeling like Sid (and the reader) was being gaslit.

Re: Fic discussion - Restitution by hazel_3017

(Anonymous) 2015-11-10 03:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Gaslit? Seriously?

Re: Fic discussion - Restitution by hazel_3017

(Anonymous) 2015-11-10 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Da

I wouldn't have used gaslit, but I think the anon means that lulling into a false sense of security thing? Like it's suddenly revealed X was a traitor all along and all your efforts have been in service of my grand plan!

Re: Fic discussion - Restitution by hazel_3017

(Anonymous) 2015-11-10 03:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I think in general it is not necessary for a fic that uses a particular movie setting to tell the same story the movie was telling.

AYRT

I definitely agree. My favorite writer of fusions is antistar_e, who takes the characters from one canon and the setting from another, and writes a completely original story encompassing both aspects.

But hazel was retelling the movie's story, quite closely - Claude was a War Boy who used Geno as a blood bag and then joined the Brides. He's Nux. But he's Nux without a character arc or moral complexity, and the traits stripped away are not replaced with anything.