#18 – If you owned a bar, how cheap would your shots be?

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Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pissed about the lack of outrage against EKane. Why is no one calling for him to stop playing while being investigated for sexual assault?

I know the girl herself hasn't accused EKane of any wrongdoing because she doesn't remember what happened to her. She went to the hospital with injuries severe enough for a nurse to call the police because the nurse suspected the girl was the victim of an assault. The girl was seen leaving a bar in the middle of the night with EKane, police seized his car and have begun an investigation.

Is the lack of coverage in the media because he isn't a superstar? Is it because there are no anonymous sources leaking anything to the likes of Tim Graham? Why is meme not calling for his head? He is being investigated after all.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

It's the profile of the player. Patrick Kane was 1/2 of the biggest RPF pairing, and one of the most fandom popular teams. Evander Kane is part of a handful of fics, and he's played for two teams that attract very little fandom attention. Even Eichel fics don't really include that much Sabres.

Only way you get a comparable level of fandom outrage and wank is if Sid or Geno get accused. Maybe Jamie Benn or Seguin have also reached that point.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

SA

This is only for the meme side of the house, of course. I don't know enough to speculate why media isn't as into it, although again the status of the Blackhawks/P Kane versus the Sabres/E Kane might have an influence.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

That's what I suspected. It's kinda sad because then meme is only outraged if it's a star player that's accused/nvestigated, not because fandom really cares about the possible victim.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

What exactly do you want meme to do? There was a big thread about it when the accusations first came out.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

na

I think it's more that there's no mixed feelings or disagreement on meme about it. Nobody had to do any processing or deal with fans in other places being horrible about it - we all went straight to "Yeah, douchebag."

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I don't know if that's exactly it. I liked EKane quite a bit before this, but the lack of fandom presence/larger fanbase for him made it easy for me to cut him out of my fandom experience without it being a big deal. I think when it's a star player everyone's reactions are louder and easier to see, but people I follow have stopped posting about him since then. There hasn't been any fic written containing him since word of the investigation came out, and previously there'd been a bit of a bump because of Eichel.

I do think people are seeking out details of the investigation less, which honestly I'm fine with. I don't need to agonize over every little detail of the investigation to stop being a fan of EKane. I'm already there, and I think most people were there from day one.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't call myself outraged but I find it a little confusing too. Yesterday on the NHL app there was an article written about him "returning to Winnipeg" and it was full of glowy praise of him, and while at this point I don't expect the NHL to do any better, I at least thought I would see somebody in hockey fandom bring it up as another example of the NHL ignoring sexual assault allegations.

But what I think it comes down to, at least for the people I follow, is that nobody was a really huge fan of him anyways (and he wasn't really a fandom persona) so people that posted him occasionally on tumblr or whatever just stopped immediately, and there was nothing to wank about. I can't explain why the media is ignoring it though, unless the investigation already ended or something and we're just not hearing about it because there's no new details to report.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

SA I meant to say "I wouldn't call myself pissed", not outraged.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I don't think the investigation has ended.

So meme only cares when it's a star player? I only started coming to deke a week or so before the PKane shit hit the fan but I thought the outrage against him/Blackahwks was because of rape apologia and how badly the NHL treats violence against women. And now there's nothing? That's a double standard if you ask me.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

da

Meme would be raging a lot more about rape apologia right now if there was any going on re: EKane. But there isn't.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Weren't here for any of the fixation objectifies the victim and her case discourse, eh?

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Part of the reason there's nothing here is because there's nothing about it in the media. There isn't a constant volley of voices proclaiming E.Kane is innocent for any number of illogical at best reasons, there aren't BNFs desperately trying to prove his innocence to keep their OTP intact, there aren't groups of people attacking other people who believe he's guilty. There's no rape apologia in social media spaces right now. That's in itself somewhat of a double standard for a myriad of reasons, but this case is different as it stands right now.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

na

The only thing that really strikes me is no one is complaining that he's still playing and doing the #notmynhl stuff. He may have missed *one* practice (and I think it turns out that didn't happen) and people said "yay they're handling it well unlike the Blackhawks" and then he played the very next night and no one said anything. I see people bringing up Ribeiro continuously and Doughty a bit less, but the only current big story about EKane right now is Winnipeg thrift stores selling out of tracksuits.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Have there been sexual assault allegations? Seriously asking here, because the last I heard he was being investigated for a sex crime, but it was unspecified, so could cover prostitution etc.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Fandomwise, part of it is because the Sabres don't seem to have much fandom presence, so people aren't as invested. There's also less defensiveness, I think - I haven't seen any tearful pleas to ~support Evander in this difficult time~. Everyone I follow has entirely stopped posting about him.

I think there's also a sense of collective weariness. Of course I hate that EKane continues playing, but I don't feel like there's anything I can do about it.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

He has such a small present in the hockey world, a smaller present in fandom. I don't see anyone screaming one way or another in regards to him. Not a lot of news about him either.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Because no one cares about EKane, no one cares about the Sabres, and no one is viciously trying to defend him. No one no one is madeyling or demotuing about his innocence, and no one's writing fic. I saw a handful of people condemn him on tumblr, and others aren't blogging about him anymore, but it really hasn't made a difference fandom-wise. PKane got the treatment he did because he was a pillar of fandom.

And honestly, if fandom got as fucked up over every single moral infraction as they did over the PKane case, that wouldn't be healthy.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

na

Blackhawks fandom is huge, both in rpf and in sports fandom. Patrick Kane is way more famous than Evander Kane, the Hawks had just won their 3rd Stanley Cup, Chicago is a huge media market for more than just hockey, and P.Kane comprised one half of the most popular rpf shit. Doughty and Ribeiro didn't get the same level of outrage, either, and rpf fandom more or less unilaterally decided they were pieces of shit, while Hawks fandom was split. It's not that a bunch of people were just looking for an excuse to hate the Hawks and don't actually care about sexual assault. It's that the Hawks are a way bigger deal than the Sabres right now as far as the NHL/the media/rpf fandom is concerned, so naturally they received more scrutiny.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

** one half of the most popular rpf ship

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Doughty and Ribeiro didn't get the same level of outrage, either, and rpf fandom more or less unilaterally decided they were pieces of shit

This is not at all the case. With the exception of a small group of Kings fans, Doughty has really only had attention since the Kane case, in my opinion, as people have sought for ways to accuse other people of hypocrisy.

Doughty was accused in 2012, right after the Cup victory. Here are some Deke threads with positive mentions (there are also heaps with totally neutral mentions, like "Doughty is out for training camp, here's a joke about the mean hockey gods", listing him among players who have had their dicks out on camera, lists of true #1 defensemen, etc, but I've left those out on the grounds that at least some of them are just matters off fact):
2014: http://dekedangle-rpfanon.dreamwidth.org/722.html?thread=422866#cmt422866
http://dekedangle-rpfanon.dreamwidth.org/841.html?thread=2054985#cmt2054985
2015: http://dekedangle-rpfanon.dreamwidth.org/841.html?thread=2453065#cmt2453065

Here's the first negative mention of Doughty, 2 1/2 years after the accusation: http://dekedangle-rpfanon.dreamwidth.org/841.html?thread=2550089#cmt2550089

Like a week later, here's someone who wants Doughty/Stamkos: http://dekedangle-rpfanon.dreamwidth.org/1099.html?thread=3107403#cmt3107403

More positive Doughty stuff:
http://dekedangle-rpfanon.dreamwidth.org/1472.html?thread=4164288#cmt4164288

There are a bunch of others later in 2015 too and this is making me tired. Safe to say, though, that disapprobation of Doughty was not as universal or as consistent as you're suggesting. It's become consistent only since the Kane thing, imo. Here's a thread with some Doughty rape apology, even: http://dekedangle-rpfanon.dreamwidth.org/1539.html?thread=6205699#cmt6205699 and some more: http://dekedangle-rpfanon.dreamwidth.org/2608.html?thread=11174192#cmt11174192 There's a thread from mid-last year hoping that Doughty wins the Norris, which you sure aren't going to get with Kane and the Hart this year. There's also plenty of stuff on frozen meme.

tl;dr I agree with Ribeiro but you're factually incorrect about the reaction to Doughty, which did see a bunch of apologia and defensiveness and plain ignorance.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pissed about the lack of outrage against EKane. Why is no one calling for him to stop playing while being investigated for sexual assault?

Public expressions of outrage are exhausting. A lot of people feel just as angry about EKane as they did about PKane (I assume that's the comparison you're implicitly trying to draw) -- they've already said all they had to say the first time around, what they said before applies equally now as it did then, but they have nothing to add, and no desire to continually repeat themselves and open themselves up to attack, especially regarding a subject that is so painful and difficult to talk about. And plenty of people have called for him to stop playing while being investigated -- and have expressed disappointment that the Sabres have followed the Blackhawks example in this regard. EKane is benefiting from the recent precedent set by PKane.

Is the lack of coverage in the media because he isn't a superstar?

Partially this, partially because the season has started so there are other things to talk about, and partially because, I suspect, mainstream media may be feeling "once bitten, twice shy" due to how the PKane case ended up turning out.

Why is meme not calling for his head?

It's kinda sad because then meme is only outraged if it's a star player that's accused/nvestigated, not because fandom really cares about the possible victim

I think that you provided the answer you wanted for your question, and that it was the answer you were fishing for all along. Your comment reads as an attempt to frame the outrage against PKane as wrong-headed, excessive, and morally dubious ("you don't really care about rape victims, you just want to bash PKane"). I hope I'm wrong about that, and if I am, I apologize. But so much of fandom has been put idolizing PKane for so long, purposefully turning a blind eye to his many faults, and silencing or deriding those who have expressed dislike of him, that it is hardly surprising that there would be a huge fandom reaction to this. People are angry about what happened to the victim; but they are also allowed to be angry that a rapist has been and continues to be celebrated in the rpf and hockey communities (in a way that EKane has never, ever been), and that PKane enjoys privileges as a star player and as a white man that EKane will never enjoy. One cause of anger doesn't invalidate the other.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

I think that you provided the answer you wanted for your question, and that it was the answer you were fishing for all along. Your comment reads as an attempt to frame the outrage against PKane as wrong-headed, excessive, and morally dubious ("you don't really care about rape victims, you just want to bash PKane"). I hope I'm wrong about that, and if I am, I apologize.

I accept your apology as I was not fishing for anything. I really was curious about the difference in response to the investigations, and seing everyone's responses to my question, I now have an answer.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Re: Last paragraph

I got the same feeling. Maybe it's just bad rhetoric, but something tasted kind of funny.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Outside of fandom I've mostly seen people saying that they don't see the point in arguing things anymore and so soon after the last time. PKane and Voynov set the precedent; they know the NHL won't suspend unless there's an arrest. It's not really good activism or whatever I guess, but there's only so many times you can expect people to rehash things that make them feel bad.

As for meme specifically, this is a fandom meme. No one really talked about EKane much before so we have extra reason to not start investing energy in talking about him now. That's pretty much how it has gone for every player besides PKane on here who has been accused of some kind of sexual misconduct. We talk about how much of a piece of shit he is right when it makes the news and then move on. I guess you're thinking there was a double-standard or something, but it's mostly that PKane was an outlier due to popularity and emotional investment.