#23 — Brown Goes Down

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Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

NA

Ok, so there's two of you who don't like her. But to imply that a large percentage of meme is in agreement with you is suspect, especially since the part about Brandon Sutter seems to be one anon's personal grudge. I've been in conversations about her work in the past and have expressed my enjoyment of it, and of her characterizations (because hell, we're all making this shit up anyway, and hers usually resonate with me pretty well). And reveals for this exchange haven't even happened yet, so to jump in to complain about a writer who you don't even know for sure is the writer of this fic seems super aggressive for no reason.

I'm the anon who had mixed feelings about this fic and didn't really like the use of Ryanne, but there were other things I did like about it and if it IS downjune, it won't be my favorite of her fics, but it's still light years better than half the fic on the hockey RPF tag on any given day.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

da

+1 I don't appreciate being lumped in with "meme's" agreement of a topic, and while I don't like everyone downjune does (and I'm pretty sure this is her work), there's a lot of it I love, and her stuff is always a must-read however I end up feeling about it after I've read it.

I also really don't get the Brandon Sutter grudge. That does seem to read like one nonnie's hateboner. Meme as a whole is pretty damn chill about liking whatever random player you like.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

NA

I don't really care about Brandon Sutter one way or the other, but I hate how this author latches on to players I like and gives them these really baffling/annoying characterizations. She leaves author's notes about how her characterizations are so unique and cool and she's having so much fun with them! And really she just makes them seem crazy and fucked up. That's her unique characterization for everyone.

She did it to Flower with her "hot mess" characterization. She did it to Sutter when she wanted to make him all damaged for Crosby to pamper. She's doing it to Letang now and writing him as an angry submissive mess that needs to be put down like a dog. It's getting progressively grosser and more ridiculous with each phase she goes through.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I mean, I don't think she's lying about having fun. If her kinks aren't you kinks, there's always AO3 Savior.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

Her author's notes are just hilarious to me. It's like she's justifying her characterization choices because she knows they're nothing like normal, never mind believable. IDK they seem so defensive.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

da

I hate what she did with Flower. He's my favorite and at first I was excited that he was someone else's favorite and then it was like no stop you're ruining him ugh this is worse than when no one was writing him.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

NA I've enjoyed a lot of downjune's stuff, too. I get why it's not to everyone's taste, but it's not really meme consensus that she's terrible. (Then again, I don't think there's much of a consensus on meme about anything.)

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

na

but it's still light years better than half the fic on the hockey RPF tag on any given day.

lol I'm just going to assume you're friends with downjune or something.

FYI meme hating on Brandon Sutter (and hating on downjune's writing of Brandon Sutter as if he were a good player for us AS WELL AS her characterization of him and others) was not total, I will give you that. Because meme is never 100% in agreement on anything, duh.

But there was definitely way, way more than one of us. A large percentage of the people in those conversations actually. Just like there has been more than one of us complaining about her horrible Flower characterization, as the anon elsewhere mentioned.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I can honestly say I know nothing about downjune as a human and don't even know if she has a twitter or tumblr, which are the only spaces where I interact with this fandom outside of this meme, so no, I promise I'm not her friend. (Are we bringing back the "author's best buddy" meme here?)

But I just checked to make sure, and downjune hasn't written about Brandon Sutter in a YEAR, which is why I find the continued harping on that to be so fucking weird. As someone who came to her work for the Sid/Claude stuff (and who isn't a Pens fan), I don't know anything about those stories or the Flower ones, and I don't really care about them. But we're talking about her more recent Sid/Claude work in this thread, and continuing to bring up year-old grievances that have nothing to do with that is just kind of sad.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

Kind of sad? Discussing - in the fic discussion thread, mind you - the flaws in an author's body of work to show how those flaws continue to exist is kind of sad now? lmao get out of here. If you're not her friend, then you're just an idiot. Now that's sad.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

NA Well, pulling the old "you must be the author in question/their friend!" tactic is pretty sad, actually.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

Nah.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

na

As well as making fun of someone for daring to have different opinions about fic than yours.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

Stop putting NA on all your posts like you're a different person. It's obvious.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

Wow. You don't care about those other fics? That must mean they don't exist!

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

da

No, there was not some kind of majority agreement criticizing the way she writes Brandon Sutter. There was a fair bit of criticism of how her Sutter series was paced, but that was separate from any opinion of him as a player.

And you say all this as though there aren't lots of people on meme that also really like a lot of her stuff. A number of people have praised her Sid/Giroux stuff very highly, for example. Discussion of her fic has been far from uniformly negative.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

Can someone with a dreamwidth account do a meme search for "Jesse Marshall". He's the one specific thing I remember from that thread where people were absolutely praying for Sutter to get traded.

I want someone to find it so I can show these liars that yes, several people were outright mocking downjune for continuing to write him as some kind of indispensable cog thus making it obvious she knew nothing whatsoever about hockey.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

Meme isn't a paid community so we can't search it, nonny, iirc.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

Meme's not a paid account, so you can't do searches. And I'm not sure what you even want to prove here. That some nonnies dislike her and have talked about it in the past? I don't really think anyone was contesting that, so much as the idea that "meme" hates her. I'm pretty sure the only person meme would agree to hate as a collective is Gary Bettman.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

So we're in agreement that meme has historically mocked and disliked her fic? Not universally but definitely more than one of us? Cool.

Because to me that's the question at stake. Some anon is saying it's just one person with a grudge when hello. It's clearly not.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

Psst, if you preface a Google search with site:http://dekedangle-rpfanon.dreamwidth.org you can search meme just fine.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

Tracking nonnie assumes this is the thread you mean, but it has nothing to do with downjune.
http://dekedangle-rpfanon.dreamwidth.org/1099.html?thread=3532875#cmt3532875

I only got five email threads total out of the search, and the rest of them had way less to do with Sutter than than this one.

So try again.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

na

tbf the only reason that people have praised her Crosby/Giroux stuff is because the quality of the rest of the fic for that pairing has been mostly crap. That doesn't mean downjune's stuff has become great. It's still average. I just like it better than the twitcrew messes.

But again, this Ryanne fic is reminding me of why I was turned off her Pens-centric stuff.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

but it's still light years better than half the fic on the hockey RPF tag on any given day.

lol I'm just going to assume you're friends with downjune or something.

Written like someone who definitely has not ever tried reading everything in the hockey tag.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

Afuckingmen, there is some drivel in there that I can never unread.