dekedangle_rpfanon | #24 – Not Sure If Serious or Playing Dumba

#24 – Not Sure If Serious or Playing Dumba

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Did any of the current Pens play at BU? For, uh, sandwich purposes. (I would also accept a Connor Sheary sandwich.)

Bonino did. As did Sean Maguire of the Jr. Pens.

(UMASS IS IRRELEVANT)

BoninoBoninoBoninoBoninoooooo

Lol, I could support such a sandwich.

http://thesinbin.dreamwidth.org/3790.html?thread=4481486#cmt4481486

Does anyone remember that story of where he met the gay couple on the plane back from Paris and they told him they got married on Consol ice and he thought that was so cool?

What? When did this happen?

lol, Mags will fit right in on that injury train.

Amazingly, he wound up being the only healthy Baby Pens goalie for a little while.

SA

I always found this tweet really funny https://twitter.com/TLTomVenesky/status/721859038221377536

It wasn't the couple, it was only one of the husbands. It was when Crosby was flying back to Pittsburgh after his post-Worlds Euro trip. The tweets about it have since been protected, but maybe someone has the screen caps.

No tweets. But here's the story.

http://www.pittsburghmagazine.com/Best-of-the-Burgh-Blogs/Beyond-the-Cookie-Table/February-2016/Real-Pittsburgh-Weddings-2016-Seven-Adorable-Moments/

Late to the long discussion and haven't read the whole subthread yet, sorry if I'm repeating what others have said.

I believe a rebuild means booting a majority of your core (or the foundation of it) and finding new pieces to build around. Toronto moving out Phil and Phaneuf are a rebuild. The Flames trading Iggy was a rebuild.

To me, the Pens retooled. They changed around a lot of the periphery pieces and added Phil to the core, sort of, but it's still Letang, Crosby, Malkin at the center of that team. St. Louis getting rid of Oshie would count as minor retooling to me too. Tampa letting Stamkos go would not be in rebuilding mode, but retooling I think as they'd have most of the same core in place.

Thanks to whoever said that Josh Cooper is really just a salty dude who doesn't like the Penguins however long ago that was. Looking at his tweets through that lens makes them all make more sense.

This is a tangent to the rebuild discussion but I'd like to challenge the use of the 'generational talent' term here. I think you may mean franchise players/core instead?

Crosby is a generational talent and so is McDavid. (Some called Eichel that in his draft year, but it seems unlikely they'll continue doing so.) There is only one player at the Crosby-level right now and that's Crosby. When McDavid reaches Crosby-level, Crosby will no longer be that good. Generational players are meant to be peerless within their age group and functionally within the league. There's (usually) only 1, maybe 2, generational player(s) at a time.

Presumably you're talking about Toews and Kane, maybe Keith when you used the term. The're elite and certainly franchise players but there are a handful of players of their type at this time in the league. And that's generally true of players at that tier. Bergeron and Kopitar are the Toews comparables. Ovi, Kessel, and Stamkos for Kane maybe (in terms of being elite pure scorers types, not necessarily style comparables and I know Stammer's a C). And Keith is quite similar to Letang and Doughty.

Just thought I'd throw this out there. Obviously these 3 players are HoF shoe-ins, but generational player is a label that really should be used more rarely.

Not that person, but he's generally salty about everything and I have him blocked so I don't have to see his attempts at snark on my twitter feed.

"Generational" as a designation isn't, and hasn't ever been, meant to be as literal as you're taking it here. I mean, I actually do agree on some of your thoughts as far as who is or who isn't, but the idea that There Can Only Be One is not what that term is mean to convey. Not to mention that your concession that Actually There Could Maybe Be Two undercuts your entire argument. Sure, there could be a more apropos term for it, but this isn't a fucking dictionary.

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I'd argue that Ovechkin is also a generational talent, purely because he's one of the best scorers of all time, but yeah, right now it's just him and Crosby. He's already 33rd all time in goals scored with 525, and literally the only other person drafted after the year 2000 in the top 100 is Nash, at 99th with 393.

ayrt

You're right that the thinking I used while writing this comment is stricter than in colloquial usage.

That's probably due to how much I absorbed the recent discussions surrounding McDavid as part of that succession of generational players. It's been a while since I watched the pre-draft stuff but Canadian media had more than a few TV packages that pretty much said that the generational player title could only be limited to Gretzky, Lindros, Lemieux, and Crosby. With McDavid probably in tehre down the line.

Not coincidentally all those guys are Canadian, so there was definitely bias there that I hadn't thought of until I'd already posted my comment. Ovi and Malkin definitely have been discussed as being generational too.

You're right that the Highlander/There Can Only Be One thing does sound ridiculous. But I do still think there's merit to logic they used that someone can only be a generational player if they're consistently the league's best player. It's just that in the modern NHL domination/separation from the pack seems to be more difficult than before.

ayrt

It occurred to me shortly after posting the comment that it may start wank over whether Ovi and Malkin may be generational talents as well. I've certainly heard them called such, though to a lesser extent than Crosby.

I don't disagree with the argument for Ovi as you present it. Although I am a bit conflicted over whether generational players are Highlanders and 'There Can Only Be One' as above anon has said. I guess it depends on who you ask and a lot of pundits last year were firmly on the side of 'only Crosby right now (and previously 3 other Canadians)'!

Hey, there are technically two Highlanders, so.

SA

...actually, three, if you count the cartoon.

I haven't seen any detail beyond that it's bandaged and he didn't want to shake people's hands after game 6. I also read that Olli had an injury "impeding his skating", and he has military service and then World Cup this summer instead of time to heal. I wonder if we'll find out more details about injuries.

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The Hockey RPF and hockey-related fandom ships in the tagset are as follows (hopefully I didn't miss anything out):

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Amanda Kessel/Conor Sheary
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Ryan Strome/John Tavares
Sam Gagner/John Tavares
Sidney Crosby/Alexander Ovechkin
Sidney Crosby/Amanda Kessel
Sidney Crosby/Claude Giroux
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Sidney Crosby/Amanda Kessel

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Kent Parson/Jack Zimmermann
Kent Parson/Original Male Character(s)
Larissa "Lardo" Duan/Shitty Knight

I'm a Pens fan, but their Stanley Cup win has coincided with a major depressive episode for me. Every picture of them all thrilled and happy just makes me feel even more miserable. I'm actually starting to resent all of them. "Oh look, your already enviable lives are even more awesome. Fuck all of you."

ayrt

I used the phrase "generational talent" because the airt used it, it was already pretty clear what they meant without nitpicking and arguing over semantics, and I didn't want to start wank about what a generational talent is and WHO is a generational talent, especially when the players under discussion were Kane, Toews, Crosby, and Malkin. I believe that you meant well by your comment but it comes off as really condescending -- I don't think that people who got into a long argument about the minutiae of rebuilds needed it explained that Crosby and McDavid are rare players and better than other players.

If you're including both Ovi and Sid, then you've got to throw Malkin in there too- him and Sid are the only two active players with PPG over 1, and I think people really underestimate how much he's been slowed down by injuries.

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