dekedangle_rpfanon | #24 – Not Sure If Serious or Playing Dumba

#24 – Not Sure If Serious or Playing Dumba

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Would you think that someone changing their last name would warrant a press conference, or would it be a couple of press releases + guy saying on twitter 'Yo, it's not Bob Smith anymore, it's Bob Jones'?

It's not the exactly an ideal example as he, you know, later went to jail for conspiracy to commit murder, but Mike Danton changed his last name to Danton from Jefferson while he was with the Devils, so you might be able to find old press releases online and see how it was handled.

As a newish hockey fan that name didn't ring a bell, so I went and did some googling, and holy shit that whole debacle is one of the weirdest things I've read all month (which is saying something).

Oh nonnie if you're in to crazy stories about NHL players you should likewise check out Bobby Ryan's story. (It tangentially fits with the name situation. Though less so probably than you're looking for.)

Just read the wiki article - he hired a HITMAN for his agent who he was possibly having a gay affair with???! Wild.

Last I heard it was less affair, more taken advantage of. Sexually.

DA

Yeah, the wiki said the agent was tried for sexually activity with minors that occurred while he was Danton's junior coach, so even though he was acquitted, uh. That doesn't sound great.

Na

Yeah, gotta say, if his agent sexually molested him I..... don't really blame him for the whole hitman thing.

Also, the legal process surrounding the acquittal was roundly criticized, and a lot of people think he would have been in trouble if the case had been done properly.

Additionally, I find it extremely suspect that he was acquitted based on the testimony of two former players, and a couple years ago he started a website that was basically going to be a database of blackmail material about the NHL and people playing in it. It's enough to make you wonder about the veracity of those testimonies, if you're a suspicious-minded asshole like me.

Quote from Danton's wiki-

"In November 2005, the CBC program The Fifth Estate aired a documentary, Rogue Agent, about the history between Danton and Frost. In it, the documentary casts light on the controlling relationship Frost had with Danton and how he encouraged Danton to estrange himself from his parents, as well as an alleged incident where Frost and a group of his players abused Danton's younger brother. The documentary also focuses on a taped telephone call Danton made to Frost a week after his arrest. In it, Frost instructs Danton to plead guilty and ends the conversation demanding Danton say 'I love you,' which Danton does, further fueling speculation of a homosexual relationship between the two. In 2006, Frost was charged with 12 counts of sexual exploitation related to acts on three females and four males between the ages of 14 and 16, alleged to have occurred during the time that Frost was Danton's junior hockey coach, with the Quinte Hawks."

I... really can't blame the guy. Jesus, how awful.

Yeah, everything I've read about it makes it sound like his agent was a complete and total creep.

Exactly, I don't know how you read about that case and get "gay affair" rather then serial sexual abuser.

When college players have done it (Zane McIntyre, I believe) it's been the latter.

This is usually how it goes also when they decide on a different pronunciation. For example Andrej Sekera was Andrej Se-kera with the Kings and is now Andrej Sekara. (Oy I have no idea if that made sense in text form. Basically. He changed how his name is pronounced when he signed with the oilers)

See, in those cases, I just assume they're too busy trying to find a place in the NHL/ thinking it's too much hassle to correct other people about their name. (NHL announcers and broadcasters have a spotty record.)

Remember Grossmann? He played his whole freaking career before the Flyers with only one n on his jersey. These things happen.

ayrt

Oh totally. And I also think sometimes it becomes too much of a hassle to convince everyone that "no that really isn't how you say my name, despite the fact that that's how you've been saying it forever." And some guys just wait til their in a new market to say "aaaactually it's pronounced *****"

Or you have cases like Simon Despres who basically instructs everyone to pronounce his name incorrectly because it's easier than the alternative.

Yeah, broadcasters mess up on names, but that's not the same thing. In Sekera's case, he actually changed his "official" pronunciation between Carolina and LA and then again in Edmonton. I have no idea what is close to the real pronunciation. But all hockey players have an official pronunciation. At the beginning of each season, each team has to call the NHL and read out the proper pronunciations, and then the NHL spells them as you see in the link, and the person who reads it out is supposed to confirm that the phonetic spelling is the one they expected, and then that's the pronunciation all the broadcasters etc. are supposed to use.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/friv/pronunciation-guide.html

You're somewhat dependent on how your GM (or whoever ends up making the call) does in reading them, and on the person at the NHL, but the pronunciations mostly stay consistent from year to year, right or wrong. The spelling key they use has a lot of limitations. I just heard a guy on the radio say that Jason Zucker's last name rhymes with looker, which I had not realized before, if true.

This would be a lot easier if they just used IPA. I hate those dumb "phonetic" spellings, ugh.

(Sorry, it's just my personal pet peeve lol.)

Not a whole lot of people can read IPA, and the announcers generally couldn't then pronounce the names consistently during game play.

"Phonetic" spellings are useless and annoying for you and me, but that's about what you cam expect all the media as a whole to be able to do.

Re: Writing Thread

(Anonymous) - 2016-05-27 00:24 (UTC) - Expand

That would require someone at the NHL to actually know IPA, which is unlikely.

Re: Writing Thread

(Anonymous) - 2016-05-27 01:08 (UTC) - Expand

The Sekera thing makes me laugh because he's changed it so many times that it seems like even the broadcasters don't know what to do so you end up with a three pronunciation call. "Sekera from the blue line, err Se-ker-a, ahh Se-kra??"

That pronunciation guide is hilarious. Lol at all the Allens having different phonetics while they all agree on Smith. Also seeing Crosby as KRAWZ-bee cracks me up.

Oh, my. I never noticed that about the Allens before. SMH.

My favourite is the Browns.

BROWN
BROWN
BROWN
BROWN
PAT-rihk BROWN

Yeah, that is how Zucker is pronounced, or at least how everybody in the Wild organization seems to pronounce it.

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