dekedangle_rpfanon | #26 — Vanek! with a Jurco

#26 — Vanek! with a Jurco

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Yes, someone said there was a fair amount of pressure on female players to be attractive and not too stereotypically lesbian, as well as some concern among older players that being too open in public (being out to teammates and family was fine), such as PDA with other women, could affect their selection to the Olympics team.

He had a whole quote about how he doesn't use battling terminology anymore. It's not surprising at all .

Obviously this is happening because he's with his one true love.

Who?

AYRT

I agree that I'm probably late on the conversation, but I wanted to give things a real chance before I complained about it. After several years now, yeah - I just don't find fandom through tumblr and twitter to be very satisfying. I just miss talking to other fans - probably a sign that I'm really fucking old.

Pay attention nonny! We're talking about how much better Drounin looks now that he's next to MacKinnon his One True Bae. My OTP lives again!!!

ayrt

They aren't less racist, which is what I was talking about.

Yeah, his son is currently deployed in the military, I believe it's somewhere undisclosed. I'm unsurprised and I also understand where his POV is coming from, though I also disagree.

I joined the hockeyhockeyhockey comm, and I'm hoping it takes off. I really like the idea of being able to discuss things with other fans without having to go to reddit or hfboards.

So, for now I am cautiously optimistic.

da

Ok, but are you the upthread one asking how we're defining tinhatting? Because the comment that question replied to upthread specified it's not just something in fic, and people who don't read Seguin fic have noticed it. This is definitely going on outside the context of fiction, so "I can see how it would be fun to assume he meant it in fic" is a weird diversion of the conversation. Fans go out their way to interpret all his douche-bro-i-ness as special snowflake-y, so when it's the same fans doing that who are doing this... yeah, it's tinhatting.

someone demanded sociological proof that hockey players are more conservative than other groups? Because that sounds like a similar misrepresentation (misunderstanding?) about the conversation that people don't have to believe that all hockey players are voting for Trump.

Someone literally did demand that, separately from other people raising valid points about why hockey players wouldn't be voting for Trump (not planning to vote, conservative =/= Trumps-supporting -- all valid points). But one person absolutely did argue that they didn't agree that most players would be Trump voters (ok) by mentioning polls of white, college-educated US men not supporting Trump and not being homophobic (absolutely irrelevant to that first opinion in a logically flawed way). When someone mentioned the sociological factors that likely would make the hockey demographic skew more conservatively than the general population, they demanded "sociological proof" to counter their "statistical evidence." You're the one misrepresenting the conversation.

I'm not surprised at all either, but I can't say I have any sympathy for that POV. Plenty of military and people with military connections understand that this isn't about them, and that centering themselves in this is obfuscating the real issue at hand. Plenty of military people also suffer from the very injustices Kaerpernick's trying to point out. It's just a way of silencing black people, even if that's not the conscious intent.

Yeah, like, I get why the original comment, the way it was phrased, would lead to someone to want to think about broader "social justice," but, like, unless Tortorella has been overtly anti-LGBT or something, it's pretty obvious what the remark about the women not being any better was referring to, specifically racism. And it's pretty fucking jarring to see someone venting their frustration about how hockey players and hockey culture, male and female alike, are deeply racist, and to see the first response is BUT THE WOMEN LGBT!!!

sa

Also, to airt/OP -- re: then women, I assume you were referring to Kendall Coyne's twitter rant about Kaepernick? I think she also retweeted one of those gross "this vet without legs will stand for the anthem but you won't!1!" pictures, but I could be remembering wrong and that could be a different player.

JT Brown agrees with you: https://twitter.com/JTBrown23/status/773310843752706049

(On a sidenote, I can't imagine how shitty it must be for black players to be hearing this shit from white teammates and coaches, I'm sad and heartsick just thinking about how awful that must be :////)

On that note, I wonder how Seth Jones feels about this whole thing.

i have plans, i have terrible follow through--but I have plans

> about the women not being any better was referring to, specifically racism

Before the ayrt clarified, I had no idea that they were referring to racism specifically. There was a fairly long thread about homophobia happening at the same time, which might be why the anon upthread pointed out that professional women hockey players tended to support LGBT issues, while professional men hockey players were less likely to do so.

Or maybe I'm just sheltered, and the racism was clearly inferred ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I remember a few years back someone did a primer for them (before the Drouin draft, at least), and it is still one of the cutest things I've ever seen. I don't care about juniors at all (which is what it was), but it became my fave primer anyway.

God I love JT Brown. He is such a gift in this bland ass sport.

I popped in there, and it seemed very Pens twitter heavy. This was a couple of weeks ago, but that's not my bag.

There You Are!

Just say white.

I thought it was pretty clear??? It doesn't say racism explicitly, but... but someone says they're upset about hockey's takes on Kaepernick, there's no need to generalize that? Maybe you are sheltered, maybe it's that fandom is usually more preoccupied with general "social justice" in a "your fave is problematic!" way that makes it seem natural to want to lump these issues together in conversation and to counter one way in which someone's ""bad"" with another way in which they're ""good."" Idk.

(But also, in retrospect, maybe it was clearer to me because I think I know what tweets OP was specifically referring to re: women players, which, if you didn't know about, also makes it more vague.)

ayrt

Oh god, I hadn't even thought of that. It's hard because, like, you don't want to wish for a hockey player not to be socially conscious, especially about issues affecting his own community, but... ugh. I hope he's ok, and if he does feel badly about this, that he has people supporting him :/

???

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