#26 — Vanek! with a Jurco

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Re: What's Up With Your Team- Age of Arbitration

[(Anonymous)]

If one of those closer teams didn't offer him a contract, their existence is moot.

Re: Writing Thread

[(Anonymous)]

It means you fall in love with your words so much, you won't cut extraneous scenes or characters, even if they don't help the story.

Re: What's Up With Your Team- Age of Arbitration

[(Anonymous)]

If none of the teams in California or Texas didn't offer him contracts then the opposite point is moot, and they still wouldn't be where "most" teams are. What are you even trying to say?

Re: Fic Discussion - one foot in the golden life

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I gotta say, as someone who's been both the higher and now lower earner in an LTR, this is the kind of thing that pretty clearly illustrated their lack of communication. Like, they clearly got married very young, and it'd be interesting to know, in the fic, why exactly it is they got married so young. I also have zero idea about how divorce would work for a German and a Canadian who got married in Germany and are living in Canada, in terms of distribution of assets, but it seems like, for as sensitive as Chance was about money ... they should have had a pre-nup or something.

I also think that a lot of Chance's angsting was basically over the fact that he didn't want to be the 'woman' in a income-lopsided relationship. Like, he didn't want to sit in the box with WAGs (which, whatever, I imagine a lot of family members get cycled through that, since it'd be different from a family room), etc. I feel like that part didn't get examined at all, and that there wasn't much difference between the characters being young and naive and the narrative being young and naive.

That said, being married absolutely doesn't mean pooling assets or having a joint bank account or even owning property or filing taxes together. It can mean all those things, but doesn't necessarily have to - what it probably needs is the communication about those things, which this fic didn't do a good job of showing.

Re: Writing Thread

[(Anonymous)]

That's a pretty uncharitable take on things. Maybe I don't want to "help the story". What does that even mean, anyway? There are lots of ways to write "good" fic and there's no hard and fast objective standard. To me, self-indulgent fic just means writing your favorite things, even if might not be popular.

Re: Writing Thread

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Uncharitable? I thought I was answering a question about what people mean by the term self-indulgent? I'm not calling your writing self-indulgent. I don't even know you or your writing.

Re: Writing Thread

[(Anonymous)]

This. I don't interpret self-indulgent as being any different than iddy or idfic, as someone described above. Self-indulgent fic can be well-written or poorly written, just like anything else.

I feel like what people don't recognize is that a story is always going to be emphasizing some themes and elements over others. It's built into the medium. A self-indulgent story is one that emphasizes the things you most enjoy and spends less time on the things you don't. For me, a self-indulgent sex pollen fic would spend most of the time on the emotional aftermath. For lots of other people, a self-indulgent sex pollen fic would just focus on the porn! Neither of those is inherently a bad story.

Re: What's Up With Your Team- Age of Arbitration

[(Anonymous)]

Who said anything about most? What is your point? It's closer than a lot of teams, including the one in Allen, Texas, which isn't even an AHL team.

Re: Writing Thread

[(Anonymous)]

A the AYRT RT

I wouldn't call anything you mentioned self-indulgent, so maybe we just define the term differently. But I meant like you came up with a really poetic and cool way to describe the color red, so you leave in the sentence because you love how it sounds even though the only red thing in the fic is the victim's blood gushing out and the flowery description doesn't go with murderer's triumphant POV. But you're so proud of that description, you can't bear to cut it.

Re: Writing Thread

[(Anonymous)]

Helping the story is such a self-explanatory statement. Honestly. Fics generally have more than one thing counting for or against it, but the reasons stated by AYRT are in the negative column for a lot of otherwise good fic. IMO, it comes up as a complaint in the fic discussion thread frequently enough to be an objectively bad feature.

Re: What's Up With Your Team- Age of Arbitration

[(Anonymous)]

Literally white noise.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Enough with the rookie animal transformation ffs.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, do some vets.

Re: Writing Thread

[(Anonymous)]

No, "helping the story" is such a self-important statement, premised on the idea that things you think will help the story will, in fact, objectively do so, and that things you think will be detrimental to the story will, in fact, objectively be so.

But that's kind of bullshit. I personally feel that non-linear narratives should die a quick death and the authors who use it are probably trying too hard to be deep. But that's my personal opinion. Non-linear narratives are not objectively bad (or good). Authors don't owe me linear narratives.

And if they want to write it, it's not something that "shouldn't be there but was because they wanted to self-indulge". It's something that's there because they wanted to write it.

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

add another nonnie grateful for the heads up/taking this off my to-read list.

Re: Writing Thread

[(Anonymous)]

this is how i've always defined it. not as anything to do with the writing, necessarily, but a story that is exactly the kind of story an author loves.

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

TIL, Riley Sheahan was once pulled over while driving drunk the wrong way on a one-way street in a teletubby costume with a teammate's ID that he'd been using to get served since he wasn't yet 21.

Re: Hopes, wishes and dreams for 16/17

[(Anonymous)]

Hey, I started this past season with the Habs as one of my teams and now I'm "burn it all down (but get Price and Galchenyuk out first)" too.

Nonnies who actually follow the business side, any chance that Carey could end up in Nashville as a UFA in a couple of years? I just want real-world triple-low-fives to be a thing again.

Re: Writing Thread

[(Anonymous)]

Indulgent has a wallowing feel that I would not ascribe to someone just choosing subject matter they like.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

This happened to me a few weeks ago and I am still a little upset about it. I feel your pain.

Re: Writing Thread

[(Anonymous)]

You can keep acting like there aren't factors that worsen a fic, but it'll still be pretending. It's laughable, but you do you. But you can stop acting like this is a simple case of, "Thos author didn't write what I want, wah." There's a reason people value honest betas, readers, and second opinions; because people often aren't as objective with their own work. They ~~indulge~~ at points where they shouldn't. Yes, it's what they wanted to write at the time. No, that doesn't mean it was the best choice for that fic, and a decent amount of writers, myself included, care about fixing those mistakes.

Re: Hopes, wishes and dreams for 16/17

[(Anonymous)]

This season:

PK and Josi being the prettiest d-pair in the NHL on and off the ice, preferably ending with champagne and gaudy rings for everybody and lots of eye candy/entertaining interviews along the way.

At least a respectable year for Columbus.

Biz in a Vegas uniform, if that counts as a "this year's". (If not, another Calder Cup would be nice.)

Nobody getting arrested or fucking up on social media (never going to happen, but it *would* make me happy.)

Re: Fic Discussion

[(Anonymous)]

http://archiveofourown.org/works/7523359

Matt is going to Hamilton. That's not so far. Like, an hour and a half on the GO bus. He'll be home for weekends.

I'm not normally one to get ripped out of stories by tiny mistakes and shit but. No, he won't be home for weekends because like 90% of OHL games take place either Friday/Saturday/Sunday???

Re: Hopes, wishes and dreams for 16/17

[(Anonymous)]

For this goalie situation to get resolved in a way that doesn't unduly piss off the involved or adjacent players, screw up our future, or break my heart any more than it has to.

For Geno to have a freaking awesome year and be in the running for the Art Ross.

Re: What's Up With Your Team- Age of Arbitration

[(Anonymous)]

HOW DID MY PERSONAL FEELINGS ABOUT NOT SEEING HILDY AGAIN GROW INTO THIS THREAD. I still don't see how distance matters to my personal feelings.