dekedangle_rpfanon | #26 — Vanek! with a Jurco

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There's this joke I saw on tumblr that captures my feelings on this pretty well: "A male feminist walked into a bar...because it was set so damn low."

I think to a certain extent I just accept that the average NHL player is not someone I would consider a good person. As a group, my expectations for them are so much lower that my standards have also fallen in this one area, to the extent that I'm pleasantly surprised even when someone does what would be the bare minimum (or less) in other circumstances. So he's lauded basically because he's better than his peers, even if he's really nothing special in any other context.

It's true that he'd be nothing special in many other contexts, but at the same time, context matters. Ben Scrivens is far from perfect and should not be worshiped unreservedly, but I still think it's admirable for a person in such a cesspool environment that puts such a high premium on conformity to not only hold more progressive views, but to actively express them. And yeah, he's a straight white dude, and thus has a lot less to lose than others do by not conforming (see Subban, PK), but he's actively sought to use his privilege for good, which is more than I can say for most of his peers. We should still call him out when he fucks up, of course. But I don't think it's wrong for people to like him for the good things he has done/said, and I don't think those things are nothing.

AYRT

I don't think anyone said it's wrong for people to like him? AIRT was expressing confusion at their own feelings that they felt were excessive, and I was explaining my own because I feel similarly. I can't speak for them, but I'm not really making an argument for how other people should feel, just talking through how I feel.

Of course I'm going to like a dude who expresses progressive views more than one who doesn't, but I don't feel like the context should really give him that big a leg-up in my eyes. I know plenty of people who come from environments that are equally if not more homophobic and I don't give them cookies for going to Pride or arguing with douchebags on Twitter, so why should it be any different for him?

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This pretty much sums up how I feel after the last year or so in this fandom.

I feel like this joke is a fundamental misunderstanding of what "a low bar" even means. Isn't the idea that you step (or possibly hurdle) over it? Of course you're going to walk into it if you don't lift your feet up! Where do you think the bar should be, over your head??

Signed, a nonnie who wanted to respond to the problem of even a pretense of feminism being too much for most dudes, but who got stuck on the metaphor

Maybe they're thinking more among limbo lines.

Low bar = low standards to meet, in my experience.

Yeah and they trip over the bar because they can't even meet those low low standards. The joke would work regardless as just a play on meanings of bar/the "walked into a bar" joke opening line, but actually the metaphor here works perfectly. They don't even bother lifting up their feet.

da

shouldn't it be "a man walks into a bar even though it was set so low" then to go with that logic?

I don't even know why I'm arguing this, sorry.

ayrt

Yeah was just about to correct that. Don't even know what tripping over would be in this metaphor. (But also... Jokes don't have to make that Michael sense? Like, it's obviously a play on words and saying the bar is low for male feminists. Idk meme's issue of nitpicking the literal meanings of jokes.)

*that much, not Michael, autocorrect!

ayrt

Haha, sorry, I didn't mean to be nitpicky. :x It's late and the more I started thinking about it, the more the logic of the hypothetical situation tripped me up, so I just made myself progressively more confused.

I understood it as more male feminists having to do next to nothing to be considered male feminists but still getting lauded for it. They meet the lowest possible standards, but christ, everybody should be at least that decent.

Obviously that works too, that's what's being pointed out by making fun of how low the bar for male feminists is?

I don't know why you're bringing that attitude since there are a couple of people in this thread who clearly didn't get that lol.

I'm saying it in reply to airt, who obviously did get it? like, I don't get the "we, actually, I understand it as more x" when x thing is included in the logic of the comment they're replying to?

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