#26 — Vanek! with a Jurco

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Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

I thought it was just a trope, no tinhatting required ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Lol yeah, I've definitely read that idea in fanfic before and I don't think it's tinhatting, just a questionable trope or whatever.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this. I don't think tinhatting is necessary.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Half the commenters are explicitly saying that coming out is how they interpreted that tweet.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

I think for most people it is just a trope, but there are definitely some fans who believe 100% Seguin is not straight and was trying to come out with that tweet.

I thought the queer Seguin tinhatting had died down, but it seems to be making a comeback on Tumblr, and Linksy's replies to the comments on her fic make me think it's not just a trope for her either.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

The tinhatting definitely exists outside of it being a fic trope. Because I've seen this idea (and other dubious tinhat theories) what feels like a million times, even though I don't go Seguin fic with a ten foot pole. (And as a trope, it's still gross.)

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

How are you defining tinhatting? Because to me, someone actualfax thinking that the Bruins traded Seguin for being gay would be tinhatting. But just thinking random NHL players are possibly closeted gay people, including Seguin, isn't.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Maybe it's all subjective, but to me "I have chosen to interpret Seguin's behavior and actions in a way that is pretty contrary to reality in order to support my theory that he's gay" is tinhatting. The bending of reality in strange ways is the defining line.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

If you're counting all of Seguin's douchebro-i-ness as something special snowflake-y in, I can see that as tinhatting. But if you're just talking about the one tweet, he was (unintentionally) calling himself gay too, because he was dumb and didn't pick up on the intendre, and I can see how it would be fun to assume he meant it in fic.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

But there's also the difference between writing fic and believing something is true. If the author had just written another "that tweet was actually Seguin drunkenly coming out" fic, I wouldn't call it tinhatting. The tinhatting part comes from the comments, where they seem to earnestly believe that is what happened in reality, or at least consider it highly likely.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, exactly. in a previous rpf fandom i was in people CONTINUALLY had to make posts stating they didn't actually believe x and y were fucking, they were just being hyperbolic, because otherwise the actual tinhatters thought they were part of their little club.

... this could actually apply to three of my former fandoms now that i think about it. people never change.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

da

Ok, but are you the upthread one asking how we're defining tinhatting? Because the comment that question replied to upthread specified it's not just something in fic, and people who don't read Seguin fic have noticed it. This is definitely going on outside the context of fiction, so "I can see how it would be fun to assume he meant it in fic" is a weird diversion of the conversation. Fans go out their way to interpret all his douche-bro-i-ness as special snowflake-y, so when it's the same fans doing that who are doing this... yeah, it's tinhatting.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

To me there's a difference between believing that there are likely random NHL players who are likely closeted gay people and believing that a specific NHL player is definitely a closeted gay person. The first is just an assertion that there are likely closeted gay people in the NHL right now. This is not tinhatting, because you're just saying that, in this group of around 700 men, some of them are likely gay. The second is tinhatting, because you're insisting that this one, specific person is definitely gay.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

+1
Really believing something (anything) about the personal life of somebody you don't know personally, despite minimal evidence that it's true, or plenty of evidence which actually contradicts it, is tinhatting. "I think Seguin is gay" falls under that, "I think there are probably gay players in the NHL" does not. The second option is general enough that it's not making assumptions about the personal life of one player.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Taking it out of sports, for example, whenenver an anti-gay politician or ~religious~ right spokesperson starts really going at the rhetoric people suggest that they are protesting too much and probably secretly gay. Do you really consider that tinhatting?

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

NA

I don't think that's quite the same thing, as I think there's a certain amount of homophobia in that rhetoric. ("The gays are doing it to themselves, haha" or "lol, he's probably just so fucked up by our incredibly homophobic culture that he's trying to pass legislation that will destroy himself, isn't that hilarious?". Neither are good looks imo.)

But I agree with you that it's not believing someone might be gay that's tinhatting; it's warping or inventing the "evidence" no matter what reality is telling you.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt
I probably wouldn't call it that, just because I normally only use that term in a fandom context. But just suggesting as a one off thing is different than being invested in believing it, which is something else I associate with tinhatting. So that situation would probably be borderline tinhatting, I guess.