#26 — Vanek! with a Jurco

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Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

That is hilarious but sad, and only further reinforces my belief that Burke is not someone who should represent YCP in any capacity.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

He's the founder. Without him, YCP doesn't exist. What he said was certainly clueless and lacking in awareness, but his Burke-i-ness is a lot of what allowed YCP to get off of the ground and get traction among actual NHLers and actual NHL staff. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. I don't think he's that heavily involved with the day-to-day running of the organization now, anyway. But he still does have an important role of being the guy who can call up players or front office guys and talk to them about their tweets and who they will listen to.

What hockey really needs is a guy like Brian Burke who can call up Brian Burke and John Tortorella and tell them when they are being idiots about race-related matters.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

You're confusing Brian Burke with Patrick Burke. Patrick Burke hasn't said anything about the Kaepernick situation, but has expressed support of Megan Rapinoe's gesture of solidarity.

Brian Burke is the bathwater in this analogy, and there is a big problem with his advocacy of YCP (and this may be an extension of a greater problem with YCP itself) if he can't see that YCP's cause is (or ought to be) just as "political" as Kaepernick's.

(It's also grating and hypocritical for him to consider something that affected one of his family member's to be a just cause and appropriate to bring into sports, but when it's black lives, it's political and doesn't belong and isn't appropriate. Especially given that proportionally more POC are likely to identify as LGBTQ+. It can't just be "our gay family members" or "the good white gays who we like.")

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I'm not confusing them. They are co-founders, and I think Patrick is still involved with the day-to-day and doesn't have the public role of making phone calls to players, which is the opposite.

Brian Burke is the bathwater in this analogy, and there is a big problem with his advocacy of YCP (and this may be an extension of a greater problem with YCP itself) if he can't see that YCP's cause is (or ought to be) just as "political" as Kaepernick's.

That's my point, exactly. The person I was responding to was trying to separate Burke from YCP, which is unrealistic. It may very well be a problem with YCP itself that it doesn't see itself as a political organization, but that's the org that was formed. To say that Burke shouldn't represent it, is to wish it was a different organization altogether, one that either doesn't exist (because no one has formed it) or doesn't have the access and acceptance YCP has (because it's helmed by people that have no cachet with people in the NHL).

I agree that it's grating and hypocritical, but that's what privilege looks like. Just like how male politicians who have daughters are far more likely to support women's rights than male politicians who have only sons.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the one who made the comment about how Burke shouldn't represent YCP, and that was meant in large part as a criticism of the kind of organization YCP is. Of course it's unrealistic, but that doesn't mean I don't think it would be better if it was different from the ground up. But as you said, the kinds of people who would be able to make that different organization don't have access and respect in the NHL. It was meant to be a venting of frustration over YCP, not a suggestion for change.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

You are confusing them. They aren't cofounders. Patrick is a founder, along with two other guys, and is no longer involved in the day-to-day. Brian Burke is not a founder, but is on the YCP advisory board.

Just because YCP is what is is because of the Burkes doesn't justify the Burkes holding onto those positions in perpetuity. It might be true that the Burkes have more authority and are more likely to be listened to by NHL players, but if they're going to feed the players this apolitical, toothless, watered down version of what LGBTQ+ inclusivity looks like, they're doing harm as well as good. If the Burkes' only upside is that they made the message more palatable... idk, I don't want to say that that isn't valuable or there isn't a role for that, but that doesn't justify YCP's current problems. White people are way more receptive to learning about racism from white people, but that doesn't justify white people leading anti-racist movements. YCP is the organization that was formed, but we can want YCP and the league to do and be better, and eventually they will have to, for real change to happen.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

NA

"Especially given that proportionally more POC are likely to identify as LGBTQ+"

I've never heard that before, can you elaborate?

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Probably stuff like this (you have to scroll to get to the "nonwhite" findings:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/158066/special-report-adults-identify-lgbt.aspx

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Plenty of people have had lots of issues with the Burkes and YCP to begin with. You're entitled to your opinion, and it's not wrong to see the good in what the Burkes are doing, but it's not really your place to say people shouldn't wash their hands of Brian Burke because his participation in YCP outweighs his racism or whatever other reasons people have for objecting to him. What hockey really needs are guys like JT Brown in positions like Brian Burke's. But that's a pipe dream at this point.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I'm not saying that people shouldn't wash their hands of Brian Burke. I'm saying that you can't complain about him being the face of YCP. YCP is what it is, because he is the face of it.

What hockey really needs are guys like JT Brown in positions like Brian Burke's. But that's a pipe dream at this point.

Yes, that's what I meant by my last line. Although, I agree it's a long way off before a person of color becomes a GM or HC in the NHL. But I do still hope that some of the older players who have gone on to other roles are making those phone calls behind-the-scenes to their former teammates and billets and co-workers.