#26 — Vanek! with a Jurco

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Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

I'm relatively new to hockey and I know there are lots of reasons to put people on the ice other than how many points they score, but wasn't Gaudreau tied for highest scorer in the preliminary round of the tournament and haven't five people on Team NA scored more than McDavid and only one of those guys is on his line? Is this asshole coaching or is this these "intangibles" I keep hearing about?

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

It's kind of a weird combination because McLellan is heavily favoring his own star player (which is an asshole move) even when it doesn't make the most sense and is not backed up by numbers, which is probably at least partially caused by the intangibles which leak from every pore of Mr. Youngest Captain Ever.

I think it's mostly just McLellan being blinded by McJesus, though.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I wouldn't be surprised if the NHL also wanted McDavid featured. They seem heavily invested in the "next one" narrative.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

This is why I want him to fall flat on his face. The league would deserve that.

At least this is all proof the Oilers will be trash again this year. That coaching, woof.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

As a fan of the Flames, this shit will be hilarious when it's Lucic and Maroon on the ice.

(Assuming Gaudreau gets signed, that is.)

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

I will laugh for days if he doesn't get signed. Because for months all the news was "it's a slam dunk," and "he's the future and everyone knows it so they'll give him what he wants" and "he and Monahan are going to be like Kane and Toews with identical contracts and probably a happy days joint press conference," and now it's like "whoaaaaa he wants all the monies," and "back the truck up" and "it's not close and it's not getting closer"

/the battle of Alberta is real yo.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

Devils fans on reddit are half joking about the plausibility of offer sheeting sheet him. Their delusion is hilarious and I know why they never happen but I want offer sheet drama so bad.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

Gaudreau is actually not eligible to be offer-sheeted. He hasn't played enough games.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

DA I would feel too bad for McDavid to wish that on him

Actually a lot of meme's comments already having me feeling bad for McDavid

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I feel bad because I think he won't be able to lead up to the level of hype heaped on him.

That being said, I don't think he should be excused from critical analyses of his play because of the hype.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

DA

IA. The hype is so huge though. So many people expect him to win the Art Ross next year. He could, but I don't think he will. But so what if he doesn't. He's got nearly a decade before he's even considered in his prime.

Everyone just wants it for him so badly. I think it'd just be better for him if they just gave him regular hockey player chances instead of "It's okay, you're so great, buddy" ones.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

If you told me to bet on who would win the Art Ross next year, I'm betting Crosby, hands down. I'm not even sure McDavid ends up top five in scoring.

The amount of comments I've seen about him being the best player in the league season is ridiculous. And even if he was the best Team NA forward, his linemates on the Oilers won't be as good, or as fast.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

In my fantasy daydream world, someone who was five or six this year ends up with some crazy amount of points and shoots up to the top just for the fun of it, but it'll probably be one of the three or four people who have been in the top three or four for the past year or two. Crosby sounds like as good of a bet as any.

People seem to be split down the middle on McDavid. Either they're getting annoyed with him getting so much playing time or they think he's the best player ever and will win every ward and they can't wait until he's the youngest captain ever and will win the Oilers the cup.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

He's got nearly a decade before he's even considered in his prime

Statistically, for forwards, it'd be more like 4-6 years, no?

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

na

Yeah, I get why people are sick and tired of the media narrative, but the guy himself has already had a pretty rough start, really. I wouldn't wish more on him.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

What numbers? I'm seeing that the first line + RNH are the only NA forwards with >50 score-adj SF%.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

NA, but would you be willing to share where you got those stats? I'm dying over here with the barebone box scores.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I don't have the raw data, but I've been looking at @IneffectiveMath's charts from the game: https://twitter.com/IneffectiveMath/status/778065966387331072

(Also this isn't to say that people shouldn't question the decision to shorten the bench -- Matthews and McDavid are young guys, with very little NHL experience, playing back to back, and the team is stacked with talent. But I haven't seen stats yet that bear out that another line was more effective.)

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

The whole team played better in the third, though - Larkin was benched when none of them were, so we don't know if he would have had the chance to be better.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Again, I'm not saying the benching was the right decision (I think it was silly), but Larkin along with Eichel had the lowest possession % (~20%) among NA forwards through two periods. (The Drouin benching was more of a mystery to me, totally unfathomable.)

My only point is that there are stats suggesting that McDavid's line was the best one, so I think it's unfair to answer the question "Are there legitimate reasons to play McDavid more than others or is this just asshole coaching?" with the assumption that the only reason McLellan gave more time to McDavid was because of favoritism of a player on his NHL team, and to say that "numbers" don't back it up.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

FWIW I'm not the anon who originally said that, so I don't know if they're talking about in this game or overall.

McDavid's line was definitely the best in this game, but that also seems to be the result of the third period, once the various benchings happened. So for this game specifically - who knows. But I do think they should have played them less in the third if only so they wouldn't have been gassed by the time the goalie was pulled.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Thanks! That's much more info than I had before.

Also, ouch, that graph seems to be suggesting Eichel should have been benched over Drouin. I thought he looked a little rough during the second period, but not worse than anyone else.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

This is score-adjusted and even strength, though, he looked better on the PP. I'm not sure how many minutes he got EV.

Wonder if the two big hits took a while to shake off, too.

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

SA

I should add I question shortening the bench at all

Re: Game day thread 19 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

a-ayrt-rt

Eyeballing @IneffectiveMath's player usage chart, Eichel got very little EV time, less than anyone except Larkin. He played around 14 minutes, of which it looks like ~8 were EV and ~6 were PP.