#29 – Lay, Lie, or Laine?

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Re: What's Up With Your Team? - Playoffs, Here We Come

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, asymptomatic. As I've already said, there lies my disbelief, and therefore distrust, of this timeframe. Doubting Crosby has the most ideal recovery time possible isn't the same as complete ignorance on the subject. despite your desire for intellectual superiority.

Re: What's Up With Your Team? - Playoffs, Here We Come

[(Anonymous)]

The 24-48 hour recommendation is actually about the time from injury provided that symptoms don't persist. It's not an ideal recovery time, it's just a fairly normal one.

Re: What's Up With Your Team? - Playoffs, Here We Come

[(Anonymous)]

That's... just not true, but whatever, you're right, sparing an ounce of concern was a waste on time on my part.

Re: What's Up With Your Team? - Playoffs, Here We Come

[(Anonymous)]

Genuine question, are you having a misunderstanding resulting from the misleading NHL headline about him being day-to-day and the ambiguous wording of him being at "practice"? Nobody is saying that they optimistically believe Crosby miraculously recovered from his concussion in 24-48 hours, being on ice at the practice rink =/= actual practice, asymptomatic =/= fully recovered and expected to remain so. 24-48 hours isn't a normal expected full recovery time from a concussion, it's a normal timeframe to go from resting to gradually resuming exercise as part of continuing treatment/recovery. A sport-specific activity (so skating, for hockey) is an early step of exercise resumption, and it does mean he's made some progress, but it is in no way an indication that he'll be expected back soon. Sullivan reportedly being coy about him playing game 5, if you actually look at his quotes, were basically just a refusal to comment on Crosby's progress in any way except to say it's a day-to-day process, which the protocol is. The reporting here was somewhat irresponsible in wanting to fill in the gaps of Sullivan's non-statement.

Re: What's Up With Your Team? - Playoffs, Here We Come

[(Anonymous)]

Amazing that you are able to tell if someone is symptomatic or not over the internet!! You should share this incredible medical breakthrough with someone! Have all the doubts you fucking want, but those doubts are assumptions you've already made beforehand based on your (reasonable) suspicion of NHL culture, not conclusions you can actually draw from what anyone publicly knows about Crosby's condition.

Like someone else said, every concussion is totally different. And no one's assuming he's recovering in "the most ideal time possible"? Him skating now literally just means (or ought to mean) that he's had at some point at least one asymptomatic rest day and one asymptomatic off-ice workout since the injury. I'm not sure why this is so inconceivable to you given that it's pretty common for symptoms to be delayed in manifesting or recurring. Him skating is in no way a sign of being on the brink of being cleared to play and doesn't even mean he's asymptomatic *now* or is expected to remain so, only that he cleared the first two steps. He could get stuck at this step, he could be returned to a previous step, but current guidelines for return-to-play suggest that exercise-based treatment can be helpful before full recovery has happened (Amanda Kessel talked about this in relation to how much exercise helped her progress with her own recovery), rather than total rest, which is no longer the recommendation.

You don't have to blindly trust that Crosby and the team are doing what's best for his health. But there's no reason to be freaking out at him having a skate, and your logic here is totally circular. You starting off by pointing to the three-day timeframe as ~evidence of Crosby/the team being careless with his health (bad NHL culture), and then you implied that bad NHL culture (by extension Crosby's and the team's carelessness with his health) was the reason to be suspicious of the timeframe/recovery in the first place, and now you're making diagnostic assumptions based on Crosby's health history about something that isn't predictable at all even to a patient's actual doctor. If that's not complete ignorance, it's pretty close.