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Re: Fandom Venting
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From: (Anonymous)Of all the things wrong with Hamilton fandom, I'm side eyeing you hard that "Why won't they cast white people?" is the hill you choose to die on.
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From: (Anonymous)Re person who thinks the fandom gets too mad about the potential of white casting "never mind that the founding fathers were white".....your comment reveals a lot about you, that's all I'm saying.
Also, you're totally missing the spirit of LMM's work, LMM in general, and what he's done (and what he wants to do) for the stage.
+1000
Re: Fandom Venting
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From: (Anonymous)The musical gives favorable treatment to Hamilton and George Washington and the Marquis de Lafayette. Aaron Burr is sympathetic. Thomas Jefferson is a colorful dandy, and Madison is Jefferson's lackey.
Re: Fandom Venting
From: (Anonymous)They can't get their opinions validated in other places so perhaps they were hoping that this white bread fandom would agree with them.
This white bread fandom concerned with real life rapists and abusers. The opposite of exhausting and uncomfortable, compared to people supporting the casting of POC in the very few theatre roles that were written specifically for them.
Re: Fandom Venting
From: (Anonymous)Yeah, I mean, it's the musical AU remix of Hamilton. It's history RPF crack. It's absolutely not aiming for accuracy; it's aiming to use historical figures as tools with which to make its own point and tell its own story.
Re: Fandom Venting
From: (Anonymous)*remix of history, rather
Re: Fandom Venting
From: (Anonymous)It's not a hill I choose to die on. It's the vehemence that even one of the roles (not even the main roles. Any role.) might have to go to a non-PoC is white-washing.
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From: (Anonymous)Seriously! And the justification... because people burn out and move on to other projects?? Sure, but... that means once a POC actor leaves a role no more POC actors anywhere are looking for work? Get the fuck out of here. Any white actor has a billion more opportunities for jobs than any POC, so sneering at people for being upset about white people cast in roles written for POC (because that was actually the point of the musical, not "the founding fathers were white!!") misses the point in so many different ways.
Re: Fandom Venting
From: (Anonymous)I would say that also seems exhausting, but in a much more consequential way backed by centuries of systemic racism and exclusion from TV and movies?
To be perfectly honest, I think Hamilton should keep it's mostly PoC cast and it seems really unlikely to me that it won't. That doesn't necessarily mean I think Hamilton fandom looks like a fun place to hang out.
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From: (Anonymous)That's funny, because historical narratives being fictionalized and reinvented and retold in a way that appropriates them in order to make them speak to a new cultural and political context is exactly what my corner of academia goes crazy about.
Re: Fandom Venting
From: (Anonymous)Did you get up in arms about:
1. Jennifer Lawrence playing Katniss, who is canonically olive skinned
2. Johnny Depp lying about how he's part Cherokee so he could be in that piece of shit Lone Ranger movie
3. Emma Stone being cast as a fucking part-Asian character
No? Then stfu.
Re: Fandom Venting
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From: (Anonymous)idk, I thought they were mostly portrayed as varying degrees of low-key to high-key dicks, but none of them seemed like they were stellar people to me. They were tidied up a little bit for narrative purposes, but there's still a fair amount of subtext implying that they're assholes. I'm also fine with pretty liberal historical fiction, though, so ymmv.
Are you maybe objecting to the way that a certain subset of people in the fandom seem to be under the impression that it's a perfectly accurate representation of historical events? Because if so that's a pet peeve I can get behind.
I can't think of any non-wanky way to say this because I'm sure you didn't mean it this way, but saying you're too "academically minded" for something sounds condescending as hell. Like I said, I'm sure that's not what you're going for! But it kind of seems like you're implying that people who enjoyed it aren't academically inclined.
Re: Fandom Venting
From: (Anonymous)Also LOL "have to"??? Yeah sorry folks we scoured god's green earth but amazingly a POC actor looking for work and capable of playing this part was nowhere to be found so we had no choice, we HAD to!!
Re: Fandom Venting
From: (Anonymous)Re: Fandom Venting
From: (Anonymous)Maybe I was being too forgiving, but I took too "academically minded" as too analytical.
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From: (Anonymous)I meant it as me, personally. I'm a history person who drives other people nuts when watching historical movies set in an era I have a specific interest in because I sit there and point out the inaccuracies. I know fellow history people who love it, including a former professor of mine who really knows his shit when it comes to the American Revolution. It still bugs me for some reason.
Re: Fandom Venting
From: (Anonymous)That doesn't make it better. There's plenty to be analytical about in Hamilton (I haven't even seen the musical, but it's very existence is fodder for analysis), and in general in fictionalized retellings of things. Isn't that the very case people have been trying to make about the ~importance of fanfic??
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