dekedangle_rpfanon | #24 – Not Sure If Serious or Playing Dumba

#24 – Not Sure If Serious or Playing Dumba

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Honest question - does anyone else thinks Phil's legitimately just shy?? He seems like suuuuuuuch an uncomfortable panda in media situations. But seems universally loved by teammates. I just wonder if he's shy and his uncomfortableness reads as standoffish and suddenly he's a locker room cancer.

I think that's the conclusion most people have - he's apparently very big into organizing team social events, or at least was in Toronto - and is really funny, but he's reticent and his grammar can be a little bit odd for someone who's obviously a native English speaker. But yeah, not being gregarious = locker room cancer; being gregarious = locker room cancer; being neither = being a locker room cancer. I'm not sure if the Toronto media approves of anyone's personality or lack thereof.

This honestly makes me wonder if the weird grammar is a Wisconsin thing, because I grew up there and occasionally have the same issue when talking to people from elsewhere. Alternately, it's quite possible that I, like Kessel, am an awkward panda who's bad at talking to large groups of people.

original anon

And I grew up in Minnesota and he sounds like every boy I went to high school with - I'm not even sure what he says that's weird grammar.

*am worried now that I have similar weird grammatical habits and I've just never known*

Yeah, maybe? IDK. His father is apparently just the same - they're apparently very similar in terms of athletic ability and personality. I think a lot of people have the grammar they grew up hearing and the grammar they use in more formal settings, and he sounds like he has problems switching a bit (or doesn't care to switch) between them.

But I also think this is something I'm more sensitive to, since I code switch a whole whole lot, and so am perhaps projecting my experience onto him.

SA
And I'm not midwestern at all, so that might be it. (My area's accent is so localized that I can tell if someone is from the next county over, so like, again, I think I'm primed to hear these things.)

As someone from the area, I'm genuinely wondering what you mean by "weird grammar". The only grammar thing that I know is native to Wisconsin/Minnesota/the UP is a thing where we frequently say things like "do you want to come with?" or "we should bring that with." instead of "do you want to come with me?" and "we should bring that with us." That's widely believed to be a weird holdover from German/Norwegian/Swedish grammar that stuck around in English, for some reason.

I'm from the lower Midwest and that phrasing is common there, too.

Examples of "odd grammar" please?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4lFOBuEn1c

Minute 0:46 "Me, Boz and JVR been cold right now." I would say 'are cold right now' or 'have been cold,' but that's an odd use of the perpetual 'be' in a way I'm not used to.

Like, I would not think anything of someone saying 'he been cold,' but that use of 'been' with a time delineation is odd to me. 'Been' in my usage (or 'be') is a state of perpetualness, not something temporary. Like, "They been cold" would be a way of dismissively saying that they've been cold for a while now, not that they are currently and temporarily cold.

Minute 1:10 or so 'shows your group ain't get it done.' I would probably say 'group ain't getting it done.'

I think this is an East Coast vs. Midwest approach to verbs, or possibly the fact that my experience with nonstandard English is clearly a very different dialect than standard US English, so maybe what's weird to me is normal to everyone else?

DA

I grew up in central Wisconsin, and I those are weird and off to me too.

His usage or my my usage? (Or both?)

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His usage or my usage? (Or both?)

Originally from northwestern Wisconsin (closer to the Twin Cities than Madison or Milwaukee) and neither of those sound like home to me either.

Na

"Ain't get it done," sounds like home to me which is odd. I wouldn't even blink at "been cold right now."

/Texas nonny

NA
I'm also from Texas and I find those very odd constructions.

He's Yohe's good dude of the week. I wish I wasn't poor so I could subscribe to DK's site and actually read the article.

It's pretty boring and overdetermined, even more than most of Yohe's Good Dude columns. It's basically: Kessel's friends and family like him, the Penguins like him, guys like Paul Martin and Brooks Orpik who played with him on the national team said they liked him, Patrick Kane said a nice thing about him (seriously; there's even a quote from him), most of the Toronto media even liked him. Here's a quote from Justin Schultz: "I absolutely love that guy. He went out of his way to make me feel comfortable from my first day here. He cracks me up. Just a funny, great guy. We love him in here, I’ll tell you that. The reputation he gets is so unfair. He’s a much different guy than people think." (Admittedly that is nice to read.)

That's it, that's the article. Not even any ~anecdotes. (I'll never forget the Good Dude column on Crosby where Yohe tells us what a good person Crosby is because he recycled a water bottle lol.)

ayrt

Thank you!! The JSchultz story fits nicely into the half-written-maybe-I'll-write-some-tonight JSchultz kinkmeme fill I'm writing where Phil and Justin bond over coming from Canadian markets where people said mean things about them.

I know PKane is meme verboten but I do love the story about Kane and Sharp and their man-crushes on Phil in Sochi.

And uh. I guess recycling is important?? That makes me laugh.

ayrt

That sounds so sweet!! I love how happy JSchultz seems playing for the Pens.

In case you'd care for it, here's the Kane quote. It's not much: "Phil’s a good man. It’s too bad people don’t give him the credit he deserves. He’d do anything for you." Obviously there can't be a moratorium on reporting about Kane, but it annoyed me here because its inclusion in the column is so random, and seemed to automatically assume we all care (or should care) about what Kane thinks. ("You should hear Patrick Kane talk about him," says Yohe.) And the quote just isn't that interesting.

And man. Yohe wonders why people hate Crosby and then he writes drivel like that. Sid saving the earth!!

ayrt

JSchultz had a super cute quote last night about how it's almost summer and he's still playing hockey and that hasn't happened in a while. As primarily an Oilers fan who comes by her Pens fandom because of Geno I'm honestly just so glad that JSchultz is happier. It was So. Bad. at the end in Edmonton and so many fans are still so sour on him. I'm just glad he's out of that environment.

I feel like more than anything it's like an earth shatteringly boring PKane quote. Like there's an entire story about his epic crush on Phil. And that's the quote you end up with??

Chris Johnson did a podcast with Wysh earlier his week and in about a minute and a half HE had way better stories than that about Sid. My god. (That said. I might be bias. I do love me some Chris Johnson)

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nayrt

I would love to read that!

I'm not sure I even know what overdetermined means in this context and yet it seems like exactly the right word. I think my favorite part of the Good Dude series is that apparently the good people in sports are so overwhelmingly male that there's absolutely no need to call it the Good Human series or something instead.

Or maybe he has profiled a woman at some point, I don't actually keep track, but even so.

ayrt

Yeah, lol. What I meant by "overdetermined" is that Yohe takes these vaguely nice but utterly trivial and unremarkable anecdotes (not even anecdotes in a lot of cases) and uses them as ~proof that someone is a good person. It's annoying because a lot of it is the kind of thing I live for in my hockey media -- I want all the stories about Crosby taking rookies out for dinner or JSchultz saying adoring things about Kessel -- but Yohe making them out to be So Important is eye-rolling.

ayrt

It is really remarkable how DK and Yohe both manage to talk about things that I would like to hear about in a way that drives me completely up the wall. It's a talent (and also part of why I don't subscribe anymore).

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