#24 – Not Sure If Serious or Playing Dumba

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Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Because they're quick to anger and cry racism and white washing at the drop of a hat. Nevermind that all the founding fathers were white, they're still upset if the show continues on with more white people cast in roles that were originally played by PoC depicting white people (Not replacing the whole cast with white people, but there's natural burnout and moving on to other projects). ??? I just typed it out and I am tired.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

da

Is there really much danger of more white people being cast in Hamilton? It seems like part of the point was to make the Revolutionaries PoC, so they'd probably audition non-white actors, or at the very least audition multiple ethnicities.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Ayrt

There's not that much danger, no, but hint to some of more vocal parts of the fandom that one or two of the roles might have white actors instead in the next run and they go BESERK. That's why Hamilton fandom is tiresome. Also, because I see proponents of "if you're OLD WHY ARE YOU IN FANDOM EW" where Old is defined as 25.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I have seen some things like "white people shouldn't be allowed to watch Hamilton," which seems exhausting enough.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Right because bigots losing their shit about a black kid in a space movie or a black guy as James Bond or a fucking Asian person as Iron Fist isn't exhausting for POC at all.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I would say that also seems exhausting, but in a much more consequential way backed by centuries of systemic racism and exclusion from TV and movies?

To be perfectly honest, I think Hamilton should keep it's mostly PoC cast and it seems really unlikely to me that it won't. That doesn't necessarily mean I think Hamilton fandom looks like a fun place to hang out.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Your life is so hard. How ever do you cope? :(

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

NA Honestly considering a big part of Hamilton is retelling an immigrant story with people of color, I actually understand that they aim not to cast white people in the main roles (excl. King George). And with all the attacks LMM came under for his casting choices race-wise, I don't blame the fandom for being sensitive on this one.

Of all the things wrong with Hamilton fandom, I'm side eyeing you hard that "Why won't they cast white people?" is the hill you choose to die on.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

+100

They can't get their opinions validated in other places so perhaps they were hoping that this white bread fandom would agree with them.

This white bread fandom concerned with real life rapists and abusers. The opposite of exhausting and uncomfortable, compared to people supporting the casting of POC in the very few theatre roles that were written specifically for them.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

It's not a hill I choose to die on. It's the vehemence that even one of the roles (not even the main roles. Any role.) might have to go to a non-PoC is white-washing.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Did you get similarly "exhausted" and "uncomfortable" by the fact that the vast majority of casting calls specify Caucasian actors?

Did you get up in arms about:

1. Jennifer Lawrence playing Katniss, who is canonically olive skinned
2. Johnny Depp lying about how he's part Cherokee so he could be in that piece of shit Lone Ranger movie
3. Emma Stone being cast as a fucking part-Asian character

No? Then stfu.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

That's because it is.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

da

Seriously! And the justification... because people burn out and move on to other projects?? Sure, but... that means once a POC actor leaves a role no more POC actors anywhere are looking for work? Get the fuck out of here. Any white actor has a billion more opportunities for jobs than any POC, so sneering at people for being upset about white people cast in roles written for POC (because that was actually the point of the musical, not "the founding fathers were white!!") misses the point in so many different ways.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't even know all that. I guess just the fact that the fandom even exists makes me feel uncomfortable. Glass houses, considering I'm an active participant on a hockey rpf meme, but still.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Are you made uncomfortable by the fact that it's sort of RPF? That's the only conclusion I can draw from your reference to hockey RPF, although Hamilton's pretty far removed from RL.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Maybe, I guess. Like I said, it's really hard to put a finger on it. Thinking about it, it might be how far removed it is from actual RPF that is my issue. Which doesn't make a lot of sense. I feel like a lot of people who aren't really up on their American history are going to get the impression that a lot of the founding fathers were better people than they were, especially by modern standards of good person vs. bad person. This post still doesn't explain it right. I might be too academically minded for the whole Hamilton thing, I can't turn off the part of my brain screaming about how not accurate it all is.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

da

The musical gives favorable treatment to Hamilton and George Washington and the Marquis de Lafayette. Aaron Burr is sympathetic. Thomas Jefferson is a colorful dandy, and Madison is Jefferson's lackey.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Yeah, I mean, it's the musical AU remix of Hamilton. It's history RPF crack. It's absolutely not aiming for accuracy; it's aiming to use historical figures as tools with which to make its own point and tell its own story.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

sa

*remix of history, rather

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

I might be too academically minded for the whole Hamilton thing, I can't turn off the part of my brain screaming about how not accurate it all is.

That's funny, because historical narratives being fictionalized and reinvented and retold in a way that appropriates them in order to make them speak to a new cultural and political context is exactly what my corner of academia goes crazy about.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe so, but that's not what my corner of academia goes nuts over, so.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

na

idk, I thought they were mostly portrayed as varying degrees of low-key to high-key dicks, but none of them seemed like they were stellar people to me. They were tidied up a little bit for narrative purposes, but there's still a fair amount of subtext implying that they're assholes. I'm also fine with pretty liberal historical fiction, though, so ymmv.

Are you maybe objecting to the way that a certain subset of people in the fandom seem to be under the impression that it's a perfectly accurate representation of historical events? Because if so that's a pet peeve I can get behind.

I can't think of any non-wanky way to say this because I'm sure you didn't mean it this way, but saying you're too "academically minded" for something sounds condescending as hell. Like I said, I'm sure that's not what you're going for! But it kind of seems like you're implying that people who enjoyed it aren't academically inclined.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

da

Maybe I was being too forgiving, but I took too "academically minded" as too analytical.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

Does Hamilton fandom's existence just seem unpatriotic to you? I mostly avoid it because I am 100% a Burr fan and have been since the 8th grade and then Hamilton fans started talking smack about my Historical Fave and I am rankled.

Re: Fandom Venting

[(Anonymous)]

da

Aaron Burr's my favorite character, nonnie, and it was his song that made me listen to the entire thing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReTP6x_sDiM

The musical is probably only hard for Thomas Jefferson fans.

I do think it's a bit unquestioning with its "yay America" stance, and I am not comfortable lionizing anyone from history, though that might be more fandom than musical, and every female character in the musical is either in love with Hamilton or fucking him. But it's also really good, and each and every song is an earworm and so dense that you discover a bunch of new fun things every time you listen.