#24 – Not Sure If Serious or Playing Dumba

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Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't that natural attrition, though? Or a "retooling"? (Also, Keith? He'll be 39. Not sure on that one lasting another 7 years when he's already showing his age.)

Vancouver could do that with the Sedins, and still be contending, but they haven't been so great at it the last two years, and probably will be forced into a rebuild.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

Vancouver could do that with the Sedins, and still be contending, but they haven't been so great at it the last two years, and probably will be forced into a rebuild.

That's Vancouver's entire problem, that they don't seem to know whether they are rebuilding or contending. They are obviously in no condition to contend, but haven't been making moves necessary to rebuild. That's what people foresee for the Blackhawks, although less out of ineptitude and more out of being forced into that position by the contracts they've given out (many of which have already paid rewards that make whatever consequences that follow more than worth it).

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

Vancouver's ownership is in complete denial about the need to rebuild Benning is stuck in the middle of that. He's also a moron that can't stop bleeding picks into trades when he doesn't have to, but that's almost a separate issue.

There's some skepticism about the ability to truly rebuild with the Sedins still around, because no one will ever take both of those contracts. But I think it can be done. If they strip off junk like Sutter's contract, Sbisa's atrocity, let Hamhuis/Vrbata walk, and let the kids play over overpaid jackasses like Dorsett among other moves, they can rebuild with the Sedins there to mentor the youngsters.

Of course, they have to stop trading away the youngster for older, worse youngsters too. But Benning.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Yeah, Vancouver is prime evidence that rebuilding =/= being bad and reaping the rewards of high draft picks. They are obviously bad but no one thinks they're rebuilding. Having the Sedins' contracts together is tough if they want to go full rebuild, but they could and should have a much better team around them than they do.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's mostly poppycock, though. Aside from trading for Sutter, what was the bad move Vancouver has made? They've made plenty of necessary moves (getting rid of Kesler and Bieksa, for example). This is the first year they are out of the playoffs.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

They just traded a great prospect for Gudbrandson, for one thing.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

sa

Also after making the bad trade for Sutter, they then signed him for way more than he's worth.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

I forgot about Gudbranson! Yeah, that's ... well, hmmm.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

Aside from trading for Sutter, what was the bad move Vancouver has made?

https://twitter.com/MikeDarnay/status/735642799425589249

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

As one example, I'd say Vancouver got the better of the Kassian for Prust trade.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

We didn't make the playoffs in 2014 either.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

Sbisa's terrible contract, Sutter's terrible contract, trading one of their best forward prospects for a bad older defenseman, bleeding picks for no reason whatsoever, failing to get anything for two valuable UFAs, trading a really good prospect for a worse, older center prospect (I swear he mixed up the Granlunds), Dorsett's terrible contract, the Prust trade and then the entire debacle of his playing time and demotion...I mean, it's been a shitshow.

The Kesler trade has become Gudbranson, Sbisa and Sutter, basically, a few fairly awful players. Picks would have been preferable to having those players suit up and take ice time from younger players drafted with those picks he didn't get. McCann was the best asset from that deal and now he's gone.

The Bieksa trade is only mediocre, not terrible, because that pick went to Pittsburgh for some strange reason. They got a second for Bieksa and decided to downgrade it to a third because why the hell not. Even the moves they got "right" they've managed to since bungle after the fact. It's a tire fire.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

Vancouver has been terrible at drafting (possibly bottom five) , which is why they are in this awful spot. I don't think picks would help them any into they get new scouts or new management or something.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know, they've done okay with the picks they've managed to get in recent years. Horvat should be a slam dunk and if they trade him they should probably just fold the franchise, McCann was also "safe" but a good pick, Shinkaruk will be good, Virtanen has talent...they just have to stop trading them all, fuck's sake. Horvat/McCann/Shinkaruk/Virtanen is a good little prospect pool of forwards. Add some defense to that and luck into a high pick or two and bam, the rebuild is underway. Use later picks to try and find more "safe" picks to fill out the roster. This is what every other team does.

Two of them are gone for crap. Horvat will have to deal with "foundational piece" Sutter in his way for the next several years. It's like they want to play a different game than everyone else and make it harder for themselves.

They definitely need new management.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, soft rebuilds don't work if you haven't already had success.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

As a Canucks fan, the last three years have been painful. We should have started rebuilding the second that Kesler left. It didn't happen. Now the twins are two years older and we are no closer to anything.

I think Keith will still be playing at 39. The Hawks have two terrible contracts IMO - Seabrook and Hossa, for different reasons - and their core takes up so much cap space that this is going to keep happening for them. And I don't think they will be able to keep Panarin, eventually, but then he plays so well with Kane I'm not sure he'd be as good on another team.