#26 — Vanek! with a Jurco

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Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

Been hearing some random grumblings about this webcomic in the past few days and I was wondering why, but now I see the creator is doing another Kickstarter. Now the salt levels I'm seeing on Twitter are reaching astronomical levels. Along with the funding!

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

people can spend their money how they want, and over a thousand people want to spend their money this way. which is cool, I don't, but no one is forcing me to do it.

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

NA

The grumblings I've heard have to do with the creator not fulfilling the terms of the initial kickstarter and yet starting another one. I can see why that would bother people regardless of whether they choose to contribute to this one or not, especially if they contributed to the first one.

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

na

Yeah, a lot of the people I've seen upset about this contributed to the first kickstarter and felt ripped off, which, fair. But I do think some of the complaining is a little OTT. If people who like CP want to give the creator money for it (and they probably know the score now better than they did before), that's not a scam.

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

na

Not fulfilled or fulfilled poorly/unprofessionally, from what I saw. More of a warning about what you'll get for your money than saying she doesn't deserve to being paid (which she does and is).

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

People on my TL are literally acting like she's defrauding people.

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

She is terrible at this, though. These posts have said it better than I can, look at this shit

http://softersorrow.tumblr.com/post/146657223995/i-knew-n-was-making-money-from-patreon-and-stuff/mobile

http://softersorrow.tumblr.com/post/150506607650/mobile

http://pegginseguin.tumblr.com/post/150623278271/mobile

The Blueliners thing is soooo shady, too. Way to be obvious. That artist has more talent in her pinky than ngozi has in her whole body so of course she had to kneecap the competition. So embarrassing.

She is making six. figures. on something that is supposed to be her full time job. If I made that much money and couldn't offer a regular and timely product, I would be fired.

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

That artist has more talent in her pinky than ngozi has in her whole body

Hm.

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

It's not a very high bar, to be fair. The Blueliners artist doesn't seem to draw a small child falling in love with a grown ass man for example.

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, I think Bitty's character design says more about her taste than her talent. I never really got into CP, but its style appeals to me much, much more than what I've seen of Blueliners so far. But art is, like, The Most Subjective, so difference in mileage is to be expected.

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

I gotta say nonny I must be blind because the art for Check Please and Blueliners looks kinda the same to me. Like if you told me the same artist drew them both I would believe you.

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

Well, now that the first page of Blueliners is out, I can officially say I'm not impressed by the art.

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

Based on the artist's earlier work I would have agreed that she was more talented, but I don't really feel like the comic features the stuff I like about her style. It would be hard to have the same level of detail in a comic, but I feel like it does not have the same charm.

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

I'm really excited for Blueliners!

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

Holy balls.

Also. Can someone explain what Blueliners is?? I'm old.

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

http://bluelinerscomic.tumblr.com/

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry. I asked the wrong question. Can someone explain the Blueliners drama please?? I have only seen veiled references to it.

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, as someone who has no intention of contributing to her Kickstarter or Patreon, some of these complaints are definite issues and some I'm kind of 'hm' about.

The shirts thing seemed to be an issue with the printing company. That happens. Same with the page missing from the book. However, she has no excuse not to keep people posted, especially since I'm sure backers would understand some of that is out of her control.

No one is forcing people to donate to Patreon. If people are dissatisfied with what they're getting, they can stop their monthly payment. She can't be fired from Patreon, but people can choose not to pay her so she is not making money from it. I don't know what backer perks there are, since I'm not a patron, but there do seem to be some.

The Kickstarter is for the second volume. You... need startup money to do that? To print books? I read through all of her Kickstarter info, and it's to buy books. It's not to fund the comic, it's to buy a book.

If people want to buy the book, that's their prerogative. Over a thousand people do, and it's their money. Hopefully they're aware of the entire situation before they spend, but that's about as far as I'm willing to go.

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

These links had me caught in a weird spiral of tumblr wank. People have really strong opinions about Check Please, huh? And all this "no one can ever criticise the content creator" lol, isn't criticism part of what being a published artist/author is about?

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

> isn't criticism part of what being a published artist/author is about?

Absolutely. And, even more, isn't it what fandom is about? I mean, good lord, fanfic is entirely premised on the original work "getting it wrong" (no matter how much we might love said original work). Shocking lack of self-awareness from the fannish space, IMO.

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

I think the comic being indie, free, and kinda, sorta, not really adjacent to hockey RPF makes some people categorize it closer to a casual fanwork than a professional publication. Which is still kinda weird, since tbh, I don't think the criticisms of Check Please! (or YCMAL, fwiw) are harsher than what hobby fandom producers get when they have a large audience that they've disappointed. Probably less in some cases, honestly. Money just makes everything a little more complicated, because lord knows criticism really just means you're begrudging someone else's success.

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

DA

the funny thing is that back when she didn't get any money from it (5k a month from patreon alone) the updated were more regular and the whole thing seemed more "professional" for it imo. I guess there's added pressure, but also 5k plus two very successful kickstarters

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's gotten to the wanky point of no return. There's something to be said for both sides probably, but between "no one can ever criticise the content creator" and criticisms that are more like personal attacks ("this other content creator has way more talent because her drawings aren't ~pedo", really?), it's hard to have a level discussion. Battle lines have been drawn pretty firmly.

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

Too true, it's just messy. I'm not surprised a lot of authors/people have abandoned the fandom (from what I can tell from the sidelines lol)

Re: Random Hockey Stuff

[(Anonymous)]

NA I agree with almost all the criticisms of Ngozi/omgcp but I wish the ~pedo wankers would fuck off, especially on deke. It's such a fucking stupid thing to complain about when there's so much valid criticism to make.