#26 — Vanek! with a Jurco

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Re: Game day thread 18 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

I'm mainly rooting for a Team NA victory because it might shut up the Murray haters and remind Pittsburgh that it might not be such a good idea to trade Murray in order to keep Fleury.

It's amazing how over the summer the narrative somehow seems to have become that the Cup win was a fluke/had nothing to do with Murray/would have happened anyway, a 22 yr. old goalie apparently has no room for improvement, and really, Fleury is such a nice guy, how can you even think of trading him...

Re: Game day thread 18 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

Pensland must be a strange place because everywhere I've been is pretty much saying the only logical move is to move Fleury (at the TDL) because Murray's the goalie of the future, and the expansion draft is too dicey to risk LV taking him.

Re: Game day thread 18 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

That seems to have been the prevailing opinion after the Cup, but a lot of the commentators on Yohe's latest article, the Pen's facebook page, etc. apparently feel different now that Fleury is staying for the time being.

Re: Game day thread 18 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, people are arguing we should trade Murray? My neck of the woods people are saying that keeping Fleury this year could protect Murray's development and not pour too much pressure on him. Murray's certainly the goalie of the future IMO, but we have no idea how he'll hold up for a full NHL season. Damaging his confidence now could fuck up one of our most valuable young players.

Re: Game day thread 18 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

NA

Yeah, most of the discussion I see is about the timing of trading Fleury, not whether or not to trade him. (And I can know that this is the logical move for the team and still be sad about the situation, cause I love Fleury.)

Re: Game day thread 18 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

na

Same here. Trading Murray and keeping Fleury is not a suggestion I have seen noised about at all. But if nonnie above is reading the comments to things, that probably their problem right there.

Re: Game day thread 18 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

NA

To be a little contrary, I don't think a Murray trade is necessarily 100% a bad idea, but it would depend on circumstances and it would be a very calculated risk. Basically, it would be betting that one of their goalie prospects comes good (would have seemed more likely if Jarry hadn't been a disaster in the AHL last season), and/or deciding that they prefer the greater return for a Murray trade over the cap space freed up by a Fleury trade.

Murray has yet to prove he is as good as Fleury, and I do think that some people have overrated his contribution to the Cup win and/or his regular season SV% in a small sample size. He has been pretty sheltered by a very good team, and he had obvious issues during the ECF and SCF. On the other hand, he probably doesn't need to be elite to be good enough for the Pens to challenge for the Cup, and his fatigue and technique issues can be worked on. As long as he demonstrates that he can be reliably good, and if the Pens can find someone to trade for Fleury, imo it's worth keeping Murray for the cap savings/his youth.

Re: Game day thread 18 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

Well, if people want to keep Fleury around (and Fleury has been quoted that he'd like to finish his career in Pittsburgh, so there's that) that means they are at least implicitly arguing for trading Murray, since Fleury has to be protected because of his NMC and losing Murray for nothing is hardly a good option either.

Re: Game day thread 18 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

Well, the other option would be see what they'd have to give Vegas to get them to agree to not draft Murray.

Re: Game day thread 18 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

I think people are severely underestimating what that would take. There are a lot of really naive assumptions being made about this (my favorite is that Fleury will waive his NMC so he can be exposed to the draft out of the goodness of his heart) but that one is a kicker.

If you are GM George McPhee, formerly of the Capitals that have been getting their skulls kicked in by the Penguins for ages, what do you ask for in return for leaving a 23-year-old franchise goaltender on the board? If you're Foley, a new owner trying to make sure your team has a hook in an impossible market, what do you let McPhee ask for in return for leaving a franchise goalie on the board?

Re: Game day thread 18 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I agree that a lot of the proposals are really naïve. I mostly mentioned the possibility as something people proposing to keep Fleury could have in mind other than trading Murray.

The idea that Fleury will let himself get drafted to Vegas is not realistic, but if he has a good relationship with the FO and trusts them, it's not totally outside the realm of possibility that he could waive his NMC with the promise that the Pens will give something to Vegas to not draft Fleury, which ought to be less costly than Murray. Fleury might prefer to take that chance rather than a trade, if a trade becomes a concrete possibility. But I also don't think Murray's quite proven himself to be a franchise goaltender yet. If he doesn't have a good year, his trade value might dip a little.

Re: Game day thread 18 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

In the last expansion draft San Jose traded a player, a third and a seventh rounder to one team for not taking Nabakov, plus a player, a third and a ninth to the other team. So, there are definitely deals possible.

Re: Game day thread 18 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, plus the Pens will only have to bribe one team, who should in theory have a better pool of goalies to choose from than in the last expansion draft, since no team can protect two goalies, and Vegas is the only team picking?

Re: Game day thread 18 Sept 2016

[(Anonymous)]

I've actually seen someone say we should just trade Murray and then he can come back in a few years! Like that's a thing that always happens. SMH.

There are some people too pessimistic ahout it, like oflights and her future Las Vegas goaltender Matt Murray bit. But she's at least been honest about what a messy situation it's going to be. Some other Pens fans are just delusional.