#26 — Vanek! with a Jurco

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Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

There are definitely people who "love" teams/players without actually knowing anything about them or caring enough to do any research to make sure they write them well. I probably know more about the 4th liners on my team than I do my favorite star from a different one ... But if I was going to write, say, PK Subban (a player not-on-my-team whom I enjoy), I'd research him, and if the Habs or the Preds were important to the story, I'd look for info on them/appeal to meme for resources, do my very best, etc.

But I also write for a rare team and have seen my faves destroyed in fic, and I wouldn't want to do that to other people!

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of times people who do follow the team have a depth of knowledge and can tell you about it or link you to stuff too! It just fleshes everything out more.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

For sure! Hell, hockey rpf fans will write you primers on the spot. It's hard to write new teams, but other fans will help you out.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

I think you guys overestimate the access the average fan has to fans of other teams. There's not really a multi-team space outside of deke or reddit, and most RPF fans don't hang out in either place. Most people aren't going to be comfortable just messaging a random they find on Tumblr, either. Even primers (such as they are these days) are basically impossible to find if you don't already know who on Tumblr might be writing/reblogging them.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

Reddit has the 30 Teams in 30 Days, though. SBNation also sometimes has primers.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

Neither of those usually covers the types of information that people often complain about people getting wrong about specific players in fic.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I've checked the 30-in-30 writeups a couple of times, and they never told me the kind of thing I wanted to know. I have better luck reading the comments to old SB Nation year-end write-ups if I want to get a sense of the feeling of a team in a given year.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I specifically talked about using meme as a resource? And, honestly, when I've seen factual errors regarding my faves, they were things that could have been discovered by checking Wikipedia and/or looking at a single recent photo. It's hard to write new teams, and sometimes to write lesser-known players on teams you do follow, but you can't tell me someone put in even a minimal effort and still got the year of captaincy wrong.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Yes, I know? My point was most people aren't on deke and in fact actively avoid it if they know about it, in my experience. "Just ask deke" is not a viable solution for most people.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

People not wanting to use a resource is not the same as that resource not being available to them.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Right, but I talked about what I would do (I'm here, obviously), and appealing to meme was just one of the things I would try, if I had a burning desire to write an AU where knowing another team would obviously be important? Even if I am just writing a quick game scene, I will look it up to see if the person I'm putting on the PK might realistically play on the PK. I haven't done a crossteam fic in awhile, but when I did, I looked up rosters/interviews/descriptions of previous games, etc. I'm not saying there's no way I could ever get anything wrong, but it's not like it's completely impossible to check yourself on details. Again, the person sub thread OP complained about missed info available on Wikipedia. That's not coming up against a giant dearth of information. That's not caring enough to look anything up.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

na

I get that, but a lot of information you can find just by checking Wikipedia or doing a simple google search? That was how I first started information and primers about my team, not through anyone I knew on tumblr. And -- the original complaint was about a Flyers!Geno AU -- surely if you're going to write that AU, at least look up who was on the roster those years?

Idk I don't necessarily blame people for not doing that research when they're writing fic that's mostly about indulging their feelings in their own team/their own favs, but I don't blame others for getting annoyed at seeing their favs used as "tools" either.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

There is, of course, the option of doing your own research. I mean, I write for teams that are A) not my main team and B) not super fandom popular, and still have yet to ping someone's pedantry alarm.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

I think you also have to leave room for people to disagree about teams and players, too. That's going to affect narrative and research doesn't necessarily turn up what you think it should.

I didn't watch any Team North America games, for example. My impression from deke is that Connor McDavid got way too many minutes relative to production and was fine, but not spectacular, whereas Johnny Gaudreau was an amazing star. My impression from the professional hockey pundits is that McDavid was easily the best player on the ice, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

Well, in that case you can always check point totals and TOI, but mainstream media right now is for the most part very biased to McDavid.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

You could check those things, but a lot of people would argue that point totals and TOI do not actually tell you who the best forwards in a specific set of games are. That people disagree about these things, so that even someone who knows a lot about a specific team might not be getting details "wrong" so much as they just have a different viewpoint than yours.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

na

IAWTC, it's not as if meme, and meme's choice of performance metrics in this case, is unbiased either. People tend to be really conveniently selective about what "objective" stats they'll cite to ~prove their biases are correct. I've literally seen, in the same conversation, someone argue Ovechkin was better than Malkin and Crosby combined in this year's Pens-Caps series because of point totals, but Kuznetsov was also really good because of advanced stats, his linemates just couldn't finish.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't read too many stories where assessing someone's individual performance in x games was really that important though? I just don't see that come up. And what McDavid or another hockey player might think about it is up to artistic license.