#6 - Shea Weber and Erik Johnson feel the Lovejoy

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Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

That's a lot of unnecessary clicking and attempting to control meme in order to cater to a non-target audience *and* meme is CNTW wrt spoilers anyway.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

i'm not attempting to control meme wtf. people can still talk about whatever they want.

anons should only make one thread if they only want one thread.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

DA

The fic recs thread is a relatively new thing on meme and imo a redundant thread /shrug

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Some of the comments in the last couple of days are mind-boggling to me, are these people new to the internet?
It's a space oriented at other readers where criticism (among other things) can be aired. If writers don't want to possibly see criticism, it is on them not to come here. Yes, even if it means they miss out on other discussions here. That's the trade-off.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

SA

And since I know someone is going to come along and say it ... I will add that I'm not advocating being an asshole or troll. The mods here are pretty vigilant on that anyway. I'm speaking about the general function of this place, which is for readers rather than writers and CNTW.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

Bullshit. It's for people who like hockey and want to fan in any capacity in an anonspace.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

It's a hockey rpf anon meme. If you're here, you are presumably a consumer of hockey rpf. It is not geared toward authors in any fashion.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

I know that not all readers of hockey RPF are also writers, but it is very, very unlikely that a writer of hockey RPF is not also a reader. Ergo, hockey RPF writers are by definition part of the meme's intended audience/membership.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

It is not geared toward authors as authors. It is not a source for them to receive any sort of feedback at all. This is an established part of the function of anon memes and the fact that meme has spent thirty six hours arguing over this point is frankly giving me a headache.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know on what planet it is established that authors are not part of the intended audience for anonmemes but perhaps you should go back there because it's not this one. Anonmemes are intended for the fandom. That includes readers and writers.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

NA

They said not geared towards "authors as authors".

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

This meme is designed for people who want to talk about hockey rpf, which is a group that may include people who write hockey rpf =/= This place is designed to give authors helpful feedback on their work.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think anyone is arguing that this place is designed to give authors helpful feedback. People are arguing that it should be a place authors feel safe to come to and engage in conversation, because they're part of the fandom and have many other valid reasons for being here. "You shouldn't be here anyway" is not a helpful response to "sometimes the conversations about fics are actively hurtful." Authors are here because they're *part of the fandom.*

So no, of course it isn't geared toward authors in their author function. That would be a writing support group or something like that. But authors shouldn't be a category of fan who need to surrender all expectation of being treated like a human being when they come here.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

Literally nobody has claimed that memes are here to give authors helpful feedback. Some people have advocated that people should consider the fact that authors will read what they write before they post it. Those are quite different suggestions. People saying "I should be able to pretend that authors aren't the intended audience for memes in order to exonerate myself from guilt if someone gets hurt by what I write" is just bullshit that is not factually connected with reality. Stand up and say yes, people can be hurt by what I write, and I accept that. Don't say "Well, they shouldn't be here in the first place, it has nothing to do with me that they are."

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

sa

and I would add, I personally wouldn't constrain what fans write about fic at all. Write what you want; I do, and I understand that that means that sometimes I hurt other people.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I do write, and I'm tired and frustrated of this argument that everyone needs to tiptoe around my feelings when they're talking among themselves someplace designed for them to do that. I'm a grown up. I can handle seeing people not like my fic. I don't like personal attacks but those get screened here. If I get upset, I'll go whine about it privately, but I don't expect meme to change what it's doing. In that situation, I don't think meme has done anything wrong.

If I read a fic that warns for something I don't like, and I read it anyway, no one here would approve of me complaining to the author about it, because the author did their due diligence. But somehow if I'm wearing an author hat, and I click on a discussion about my fic someplace where I know people can say negative or positive things, it's the readers who are discussing the fic who are at fault if I get upset, even though I know what anon meme fic discussion entails and I chose to look at it anyway. This is stupid.

"I should be able to pretend that authors aren't the intended audience for memes in order to exonerate myself from guilt if someone gets hurt by what I write"

I have no guilt. Zero. I'm not exonerating myself of anything. And I don't think people who don't like my fic should feel guilty for telling other people why they don't like it, even if it's not helpful or constructive to me as a writer. If they're being nasty to me on AO3 or tumblr, they can kindly fuck off. Here, they're just having a conversation.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

At this point I feel like I've entered bizarro land. This has never been a place where "author should feel safe to engage about their fic". That place already exists. It's called everywhere else.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

No kidding. There should be a special bulletin. Oh, hey, you want to play in spaces that prioritize your feelings as an author? Have you tried tumblr, AO3, Stickhandled, or anywhere else that isn't an anon meme?

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's so much "prioritizing the feelings of authors" as "prioritizing the feelings of human beings."

I'm beginning to think there's just a stark philosophical divide between those who prioritize kindness and politeness above all else, and those who prioritize freedom (of speech, expression, etc.) and honesty above all else. And both of those are valid worldviews, and there are probably more of the latter on meme than the former. But I don't think those two sides are ever going to see eye-to-eye, and some people (myself included) are never going to resign themselves to the idea that anon memes are inherently spaces where we check our responsibility for our effect on other human beings at the door.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

are never going to resign themselves to the idea that anon memes are inherently spaces where we check our responsibility for our effect on other human beings at the door.

I am in that latter group you describe, but I also don't think that talking to other readers about fic in ways that might make the author unhappy is failing to treat people like human beings. Talking about fic isn't personal even if people take it that way and jfc do younger fandom generations have a hard time understanding this. I'm not advocating for anon spaces as hate memes. I do prioritize having one honest conversation space over any one individual author's feelings.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

As an author who's had good and bad discussion/critique on anon memes and has determinedly Googled to find that discussion in odd locations, I dislike the idea it's a kindness to me to deny me that often-interesting feedback.

I understand not everyone likes critique, and I have previously championed the right of authors to say firmly they don't want criticism because this is their happy place. But me, I will scratch in the dirt for anyone who can say clearly what they didn't like about my fic, and preferably why it didn't work for them. That is exactly what I want, and it's so very hard to find - even good betas are like gold dust these days.

If you want to be kind to me, dissect my fic in loving detail and pin it out on a board to point out every error.

(Surely I'm not the only author who thirsts for concrit?)

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

+100000, IA with you, anon. Unless there's some kind of policy change, further discussion is pointless. All we can do is keep our own priorities.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I think it's also that a lot of us think you can be critical of something woke still being polite. Politeness does not require sitting on your hands if you have nothing but good things to say.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

+1

I'm an author, and I understand this. I have always understood this. It's not that hard.

Re: Fic recs - Contour Feathers

[(Anonymous)]

Writers can come here, and they can participate in fic discussion threads, and they can start threads about writing, for writing help, etc. However, if they expect people to cater to their feelings as writers in fic discussion threads, they're in the wrong place.