#24 – Not Sure If Serious or Playing Dumba

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Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I did not say the Hawks would just rebuild once they are crappy. I said if they were so crappy they came in last place and got the first overall pick, they'd *start* rebuilding.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

I'd be generous enough to round that down to a bottom four pick, with the new lottery system and all. But you need a couple of those.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

But that's exactly the problem. They're NOT going to be bad enough to come in last and get the first place draft pick next year. Depending on one's outlook on their immediate future, they might arguably be in a better position if they were. And if they are smart, they should be thinking to rebuild before they get to that point, not after. The problem is if they spend years not good to really contend OR bad that they will be able to get good picks/think to start shipping guys out. And it will be even worse if they aren't good enough to contend but try to anyway, and expend even more future resources trying to do so.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

da

I... think you just described the usual road to The True Rebuild? That second bit is pretty much definitely what's going to happen. I'm just kinda confused about what this has to do with them "rebuilding" or not; it kinda feels like we're just tiptoeing around The Last Question (of Hockey).

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

da

I mean, "the second bit" is not good for any team and should be avoided in general.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

And yet, it is inevitable.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

But whether they should or not, no one does that! It doesn't make the Hawks special in some way that they aren't going to avoid it.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

What I understood from airt's point is that the Hawks' potential decline isn't a big deal because if they are a last place team next year, they will rebuild. But being a last place team isn't year is far from the worst case scenario, and a lot of the times being in last place comes about as a result of a rebuild, not a cause. I don't know what you mean about The Last Question, I'm just trying to point out that using the Hawks coming in last place as a hypothetical rock bottom is imo off base. And the problem with the Hawks too is that even if they are smart enough to recognize the right time to rebuild, they are in a uniquely difficult position where they might not be able to anyways. It's not as easy as "they will become Bad next year and then they can start to rebuild to become Good again." The years of mediocrity may well continue to hurt their long-term future, in more ways than just not having high draft picks.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

Da

*Shudders* Years of unmemorable mediocrity and consistently picking 12-16. I remember it all too well.

Yeah, uh, the only way to rectify that is to get real lucky and draft a superstar in the later rounds.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

It also helps to trade for a potential superstar who is being underutilized because he has "attitude problems."

The Stars needed both to climb their way out of mediocrity.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

I think that mostly works for teams where the media doesn't care. Montreal wouldn't be as nice...

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

I would think Montreal would be one of those places that you'd trade with for their "attitude" player. I would have also said Drouin but let's see where that leads

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

*looks into camera like Jim from The Office*

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

Between the Stars and the Pens, that will be the true Model going forward. Plus keeping certain GMs on speed dial; they both pretty much fleeced the Hawks, and also Sharks fans on my TL recently reminded me, Dillon for Demers and a pick?? Holy shit Jim Nill.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

But what does that have to do with the Pens?

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

What?

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

http://dekedangle-rpfanon.dreamwidth.org/6489.html?thread=31247449#cmt31247449

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Not all conversations are about the Pens?? We stopped talking about them several comments ago and they were only involved as someone's example of a way to do the quick rebuild. But if you want to compare to the Pens, this is exactly the cycle of mediocrity the Pens got stuck in, only they managed to contend while they were in it because they had generational talents in Crosby and Malkin, and they only managed to get out of it because they had a new GM willing to make big moves AND they had contracts that permitted those moves. And they got lucky that their middling prospects turned out well and were ready to fill NHL roles at the same time. Matt Murray for example was something like the 13th ranked North American goalie in the 2012 draft class.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

If you weren't disagreeing with the comments about the Pens, then I have no idea what your point is or why you responded directly to it.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

This comment is cracking me up, lol. Oh deke...

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

I think it was a joke. At least, I hope it was.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I'm fairly sure the original AYRT wasn't saying it wouldn't be a big deal if the Blackhawks sucked and got #1 next year, they were saying shifting around the bottom 3/4ths of their teams in the following decline wouldn't count as rebuilding. They have to start from scratch, in many years after everything good in their system has rotted away. So... I guess you guys are basically saying the same thing? Which is why the arguing confused me.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I parented up and reread and they pretty much said exactly that -- that if the Hawks' model isn't sustainable, they don't see why it matters because even if they come in last next year, they will start to rebuild. Whether you count a quick rebuild/rebuild on the fly as a rebuild, or only starting from scratch/getting rid of the core (I don't think the semantics of it really matters), the point is that it's going to be incredibly hard for the Blackhawks to do either of them for a long time.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

I'm... still not seeing that at all, but okay, buddy.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

Person who made the comment.

The AIRT is correct.

I think your confusion is that you seem to be mistaking the idea that something is important or special or that it matters with being slow and dragged out? Which doesn't really have anything to do with what I was talking about. I'm not saying that the Hawks rebuild isn't a big deal, because I think it will be quick. I'm saying the Hawks rebuild isn't a big deal, because all teams do it and the Hawks at least have their cups. More recently than 30 years ago even.