#26 — Vanek! with a Jurco

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Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

It's definitely a woobie fic. There's some (slight) demonization of the Oilers management but none of the players. I'm neither an Oilers nor a Pens fan, so I can't really speak to its character accuracy, but I don't think it's worth reading unless you're a Pens fan or super into woobie!Schultz recovering from his time in Edmonton and starting to believe in himself again.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

Going to hijack here and vent at the end of the post where less people will see it. A really annoying thing about this fandom is how people use other teams as props, and I realize it's not a team-specific thing, everyone does it.

But one of the names attached to this Jultz fic left a comment that annoyed me when I saw it, on a Flyers!Geno AU, something about how they didn't like how Giroux was mentioned in the fic because obviously Geno should have taken his place.

The author replied back saying they love the Flyers! And Giroux! But come on, because in a Flyers!Geno fic the only irl Flyer ever mentioned by name was Giroux, and sometimes incorrectly, giving off an impression that he was there just to be name-dropped as a token. For instance, Giroux was not captain of the Flyers in 2010, nor was he that big of a cheese at the time. Why bring him up there?

Not a huge deal, but the juxtaposition of those two attitudes which are both slightly annoying on their own rankled me enough that I feel like posting about it.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

There are definitely people who "love" teams/players without actually knowing anything about them or caring enough to do any research to make sure they write them well. I probably know more about the 4th liners on my team than I do my favorite star from a different one ... But if I was going to write, say, PK Subban (a player not-on-my-team whom I enjoy), I'd research him, and if the Habs or the Preds were important to the story, I'd look for info on them/appeal to meme for resources, do my very best, etc.

But I also write for a rare team and have seen my faves destroyed in fic, and I wouldn't want to do that to other people!

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of times people who do follow the team have a depth of knowledge and can tell you about it or link you to stuff too! It just fleshes everything out more.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

For sure! Hell, hockey rpf fans will write you primers on the spot. It's hard to write new teams, but other fans will help you out.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

I think you guys overestimate the access the average fan has to fans of other teams. There's not really a multi-team space outside of deke or reddit, and most RPF fans don't hang out in either place. Most people aren't going to be comfortable just messaging a random they find on Tumblr, either. Even primers (such as they are these days) are basically impossible to find if you don't already know who on Tumblr might be writing/reblogging them.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

Reddit has the 30 Teams in 30 Days, though. SBNation also sometimes has primers.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

Neither of those usually covers the types of information that people often complain about people getting wrong about specific players in fic.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I've checked the 30-in-30 writeups a couple of times, and they never told me the kind of thing I wanted to know. I have better luck reading the comments to old SB Nation year-end write-ups if I want to get a sense of the feeling of a team in a given year.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I specifically talked about using meme as a resource? And, honestly, when I've seen factual errors regarding my faves, they were things that could have been discovered by checking Wikipedia and/or looking at a single recent photo. It's hard to write new teams, and sometimes to write lesser-known players on teams you do follow, but you can't tell me someone put in even a minimal effort and still got the year of captaincy wrong.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Yes, I know? My point was most people aren't on deke and in fact actively avoid it if they know about it, in my experience. "Just ask deke" is not a viable solution for most people.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

na

I get that, but a lot of information you can find just by checking Wikipedia or doing a simple google search? That was how I first started information and primers about my team, not through anyone I knew on tumblr. And -- the original complaint was about a Flyers!Geno AU -- surely if you're going to write that AU, at least look up who was on the roster those years?

Idk I don't necessarily blame people for not doing that research when they're writing fic that's mostly about indulging their feelings in their own team/their own favs, but I don't blame others for getting annoyed at seeing their favs used as "tools" either.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

There is, of course, the option of doing your own research. I mean, I write for teams that are A) not my main team and B) not super fandom popular, and still have yet to ping someone's pedantry alarm.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

I think you also have to leave room for people to disagree about teams and players, too. That's going to affect narrative and research doesn't necessarily turn up what you think it should.

I didn't watch any Team North America games, for example. My impression from deke is that Connor McDavid got way too many minutes relative to production and was fine, but not spectacular, whereas Johnny Gaudreau was an amazing star. My impression from the professional hockey pundits is that McDavid was easily the best player on the ice, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

Well, in that case you can always check point totals and TOI, but mainstream media right now is for the most part very biased to McDavid.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

You could check those things, but a lot of people would argue that point totals and TOI do not actually tell you who the best forwards in a specific set of games are. That people disagree about these things, so that even someone who knows a lot about a specific team might not be getting details "wrong" so much as they just have a different viewpoint than yours.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

na

IAWTC, it's not as if meme, and meme's choice of performance metrics in this case, is unbiased either. People tend to be really conveniently selective about what "objective" stats they'll cite to ~prove their biases are correct. I've literally seen, in the same conversation, someone argue Ovechkin was better than Malkin and Crosby combined in this year's Pens-Caps series because of point totals, but Kuznetsov was also really good because of advanced stats, his linemates just couldn't finish.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't read too many stories where assessing someone's individual performance in x games was really that important though? I just don't see that come up. And what McDavid or another hockey player might think about it is up to artistic license.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

Those are both extremely annoying on their own, so I applaud your restraint in just commenting about it here.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

DA - I don't know much about the flyers, but wouldn't it have been more Carter or Richards that Geno replaced. If they had a viable alternative center wouldn't it make sense for Carter to be traded earlier?

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

I am confused at who you are annoyed with, the commenter who said that Geno would have replaced Giroux or the author who replied that they love Giroux? I can't quite parse your comment. It sounds like you're saying that Giroux was not that important in 2010, but I'm not sure if you're chastising the commenter for saying something (because Geno would have replaced someone more important) or the author who chose to include him as a character (because the author should have included other more important 2010!Flyers into the background of her Geno fic).

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

the juxtaposition of those two attitudes which are both slightly annoying on their own rankled me

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Are you the OP? Copying a small subsection of a comment I already read that does not answer my question is not helpful. If you're trying to indicate that you're annoyed by both the commenter and the author, that's great, but it still only gets at some of what I was asking.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I'll give more context, that might help - the fic covers a long timeline, so I'm not objecting to the author namedropping Giroux as a big cheese in the latter sections. Just the mention in 2010. (Sid asks Geno if Giroux sent him over to fight him.)

However, the commenter seemed to think that Geno made Giroux unnecessary and he shouldn't even have been included at all.


Really I'm just being petty. It's not a huge thing.

Re: Fic Discussion - Jultz

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Thanks! Honestly, I'd think it was weird to ask any player if another player sent him over. That's not how fighting works.