#24 – Not Sure If Serious or Playing Dumba

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Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

They just traded a great prospect for Gudbrandson, for one thing.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

sa

Also after making the bad trade for Sutter, they then signed him for way more than he's worth.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

I agree, there's gotta be some major changes to the face of the team for it to be a proper rebuild.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I did not say the Hawks would just rebuild once they are crappy. I said if they were so crappy they came in last place and got the first overall pick, they'd *start* rebuilding.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

Aside from trading for Sutter, what was the bad move Vancouver has made?

https://twitter.com/MikeDarnay/status/735642799425589249

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

As a Canucks fan, the last three years have been painful. We should have started rebuilding the second that Kesler left. It didn't happen. Now the twins are two years older and we are no closer to anything.

I think Keith will still be playing at 39. The Hawks have two terrible contracts IMO - Seabrook and Hossa, for different reasons - and their core takes up so much cap space that this is going to keep happening for them. And I don't think they will be able to keep Panarin, eventually, but then he plays so well with Kane I'm not sure he'd be as good on another team.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

I'd be generous enough to round that down to a bottom four pick, with the new lottery system and all. But you need a couple of those.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

We didn't make the playoffs in 2014 either.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

As one example, I'd say Vancouver got the better of the Kassian for Prust trade.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

But that's exactly the problem. They're NOT going to be bad enough to come in last and get the first place draft pick next year. Depending on one's outlook on their immediate future, they might arguably be in a better position if they were. And if they are smart, they should be thinking to rebuild before they get to that point, not after. The problem is if they spend years not good to really contend OR bad that they will be able to get good picks/think to start shipping guys out. And it will be even worse if they aren't good enough to contend but try to anyway, and expend even more future resources trying to do so.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

Sbisa's terrible contract, Sutter's terrible contract, trading one of their best forward prospects for a bad older defenseman, bleeding picks for no reason whatsoever, failing to get anything for two valuable UFAs, trading a really good prospect for a worse, older center prospect (I swear he mixed up the Granlunds), Dorsett's terrible contract, the Prust trade and then the entire debacle of his playing time and demotion...I mean, it's been a shitshow.

The Kesler trade has become Gudbranson, Sbisa and Sutter, basically, a few fairly awful players. Picks would have been preferable to having those players suit up and take ice time from younger players drafted with those picks he didn't get. McCann was the best asset from that deal and now he's gone.

The Bieksa trade is only mediocre, not terrible, because that pick went to Pittsburgh for some strange reason. They got a second for Bieksa and decided to downgrade it to a third because why the hell not. Even the moves they got "right" they've managed to since bungle after the fact. It's a tire fire.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

I forgot about Gudbranson! Yeah, that's ... well, hmmm.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

Vancouver has been terrible at drafting (possibly bottom five) , which is why they are in this awful spot. I don't think picks would help them any into they get new scouts or new management or something.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

da

I... think you just described the usual road to The True Rebuild? That second bit is pretty much definitely what's going to happen. I'm just kinda confused about what this has to do with them "rebuilding" or not; it kinda feels like we're just tiptoeing around The Last Question (of Hockey).

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

da

I mean, "the second bit" is not good for any team and should be avoided in general.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

And yet, it is inevitable.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

But whether they should or not, no one does that! It doesn't make the Hawks special in some way that they aren't going to avoid it.

Re: What is <i>up</i> with your team? –– non-SCF edition

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know, they've done okay with the picks they've managed to get in recent years. Horvat should be a slam dunk and if they trade him they should probably just fold the franchise, McCann was also "safe" but a good pick, Shinkaruk will be good, Virtanen has talent...they just have to stop trading them all, fuck's sake. Horvat/McCann/Shinkaruk/Virtanen is a good little prospect pool of forwards. Add some defense to that and luck into a high pick or two and bam, the rebuild is underway. Use later picks to try and find more "safe" picks to fill out the roster. This is what every other team does.

Two of them are gone for crap. Horvat will have to deal with "foundational piece" Sutter in his way for the next several years. It's like they want to play a different game than everyone else and make it harder for themselves.

They definitely need new management.

Re: Hockey Media

[(Anonymous)]

I've never understood why so many boys end up at colleges unable to do laundry. The absolute last thing I would want to do for a teenage boy, son or not, (wiped his baby bum or not, willing to wait on him hand and foot or not) is handle his dirty sheets and socks. That's a step too far into a realm of TMI that I would not be interested in taking.

Re: Hockey Media

[(Anonymous)]

Properly made flatware the big and small spoons should be the same as a teaspoon and tablespoon when leveled anyway.

Re: Hockey Media

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know why. It takes about ten minutes and a couple of tries to learn, and osmosis isn't going to cover it. Everyone at my house learned how to wash their own clothes at the very latest, twelve years old.

As soon as you were tall enough to load the machine, you could learn.

Re: Hockey Media

[(Anonymous)]

Even if you don't "learn" it, it's really intuitive?? The dial has settings that are self-explanatory? I don't really know how people could not get it.*

*Unless American washing machines are different from European ones in their difficulty level lol.

Re: Hockey Media

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't be surprised if the camera crew had a professional stager with them who added those sorts of touches.

Re: Hockey Media

[(Anonymous)]

I've never understood this either, but somehow boys (and, later, men) manage to wriggle out of learning a lot of things like that. Either they're never expected to learn it or they're such pains about it that it's easier not to expect even baseline competency from them. I know in my own household that my brothers managed to be so "bad" at everything related to cooking or cleaning that it was easier for my mom to do everything for them than it was for her to hold their hands through the process a million times.

I think that's a pretty common American cultural thing - think of all the bumbling sitcom dads from the 90s, those awful "Porn for Women" books where it's just blandly handsome guys showing basic household competency, etc.

Re: Hockey Media

[(Anonymous)]

That seems like a bit much.