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na

you can also read it without leaving kudos. if i were still comfortable reading about him i sure as fuck wouldn't be adding my name to that list of rape apologists. even if you personally don't mean it as a show of support for pkane, it sure looks like it.

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nonny originally saying to go look at who's leaving kudos/comments

This. I'm still getting kudos on old fic, and it's weird to me, even though I've reread a couple of older K/T stories from my bookmarks in the last month. I get that likely they're being good fandom citizens and paying the author, which I do appreciate, but it also feels...unseemly? I cringed when I got kudos the very day after the news broke, and that was the closest I ever got to deleting my fic.

"Paying the author" on new fic really just means encouraging them to keep writing it. It's lovely to say you can separate fanon from canon Kane as a reader, but someone actually has to write it, and encouraging them to pay more attention to him and perpetuate his online popularity doesn't sit well with me. Leaving kudos on new fic is not a neutral act.

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Cringing from getting new kudos was why I deleted. I hated the feeling.

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DA

Exactly. It is at the least unseemly.

Wasn't the entire point of that meta wankfest that people who see Kane as a character apart from his IRL actions are furthering rape apologia?

So, no, I don't think the above nonnie who wants to keep reading and kudosing fic with Kane as though he's an OC is getting it.

(Said nonnie is still free to read and kudos to their heart's content, of course, but that doesn't mean people won't put them on whatever personal lists they might maintain of Kane apologists.)

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From: (Anonymous)
I am really not cool with equating kudosing new fic with rape apologia.

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From: (Anonymous)
This is what people mean with this conversation going around in circles.

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This makes me paranoid because do writers/viewers see it when fic has been downloaded? I went through a spate where I downloaded my favorite K/T out of paranoia because I thought they'd get deleted, and I'm pretty sure most of them have. I hope I don't look like a rape apologist to them :/

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Da

I don't think so. I downloaded my faves too, and though I haven't been able to reread them I knew someday maybe I would want the option.

I didn't say kudos were precisely equivalent to rape apologia. But they tell authors "yes, keep writing more" and as discussed over and over, there are other consequences to that.

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DA

That may be true for people who are very ship-based, but kudosing fic doesn't mean that you necessarily want more of that particular character.

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+100

I kudos every fic I read.

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na

That doesn't detract the from the fact that it serves as encouragement for the writer- only you know the reason why you pressed the kudos button so intention doesn't come into play.

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This is the most bizarre kudos wank I've ever seen.

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NA

Huh. I've never thought of kudos as encouragement. There's so little effort in pressing the button that I don't even take it to mean anything. Only comments serve for encouragement in any way. Perhaps it's because of all my years posting fic to LJ that I don't measure anything by kudos? I definitely think that being used to the LJ culture of comments changes how someone views kudos.

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???

what else would kudos mean?

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Because the word kudos has an actual meaning outside of fandom, it really surprises me that some people don't see it as praising the fic. I'm pretty sure that it is most commonly used as a positive marker though so the safest bet is to assume that's how author's will see it.

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From: (Anonymous)
DA

I also spent years on LJ writing fic, and I view kudos as feedback, so I don't think it's strictly an LJ comment culture way of viewing things, although that probably does have some effect on it for some people.

I also write for tiny rarepairs and smaller fandoms in gneral, so it's not like a get a ton of hits, kudos, or comments. I think the size of the fandom and pairing plays into things as well. If you're writing things that are lucky to break 100 hits or reach the double digits just in kudos, you're probably more likely to view kudos as encouragment. (I could be wrong, though.)

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From: (Anonymous)
Spent a good 6 or so years in LJ-based fandom and I don't really agree. Kudos are pretty generally seen as encouragement to an author. What do you think they symbolise, if not "I read this and liked it"?

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From: (Anonymous)
If intention doesn't come into play, there's no reason to assume that it's encouraging the writer to write more of that specific character for most of the people out there.

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From: (Anonymous)
I don't follow your logic, my point was that the intention of the person who left kudos doesn't come into play as it doesn't affect how the writer sees it??

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ayrt

You can't ignore that it's a form of feedback telling the author that there's an audience for their fic.

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Authors on the meme, do you feel encouraged to write more based on the kudos you receive?

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From: (Anonymous)
Not encouraged to write more, per se, but I take them as an "I liked this." It's not like AO3 offers "I read this, I guess" vs. "THIS WAS AWESOME BUT I AM SHY!!!" kudos options. They're all the same, and so I choose to believe they're just another kind of "like" button. Which is also how I use it on other people's stories.

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From: (Anonymous)
I would write regardless, because I have a drive to write. I have some fics that have over 100 kudos and some that have none. By the time I'm done with a fic, I hate it so much and feel like such a crappy writer that usually kudos just helps me feel less crappy and that maybe my story was useful to another person in some way.

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DA

Yeah, I was just trying to figure out how to phrase what you just said. People have made up their minds about whether or not Kane fic (and Kane fic support) is acceptable, and if you disagree with them, you're just going to have to live with them not supporting your actions/decisions.

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From: (Anonymous)
DA - I only kudos fic I have liked.
If I really, really like it I will comment.