#11 - Kopitar Prefers Amps That Go to Eleven

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This is the eleventh post of Deke Dangle RPF Anon, a community for all your ice hockey anon meme needs.

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Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

There should be a list of people on both sides, because I skipped out on tumblr worried about the wank and now I missed who thinks what, and it's hard to figure out if someone is no longer posting Kane because they spoke out against him a month ago and I just missed their post, or if they're one of the silent supporters. :/

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

Lists like that can be so messy because they end up encouraging harassment, I might hate some users and think their opinions are shitty but I wouldn't want to write up a hit list on them.

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

Fine, if you don't want to call anyone out, could we at least have a list of people who FOR SURE don't support Kane? I really want to make my fandom experience safer and I'm scared to log into tumblr. (I would just assume that someone not on the list maybe still doesn't support Kane but just hasn't posted that yet, so I won't judge them as a Kane supporter.) Like I've seen Imp's name as someone who doesn't support him, but my fandom experience will be very boring if I unfollow every blog except for hers.

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

DA

OT a little but does anyone know why Imp's gone so hard against him? She's barely in hockey fandom anymore so I found it surprising.

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

It's a topic of personal interest to her? She likes telling people they're Doing It Wrong?

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

What, do you want a spreadsheet or something? I could list the few dozen people on my dash who I've seen outright condemning him, but I don't know how helpful that would be.

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

That list of a few dozen would be helpful for me! Thank you very much! :)

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I would think you should be fine logging in to your tumblr and, should something pro-Kane pop up, you can take great cathartic glee in unfollowing--and perhaps even blocking--that person?

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

I get where you're coming from but at this point I'm not sure there's really "sides" other than people who keep defending him and then those who choose to tell them why they're wrong. A ton of people publicly quit fandom/Patrick Kane fandom when the news first broke but apart from that it's not so black and white tbh. I would guess from my experience that most people just aren't talking about it either way.

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

Just go look at any of the recent K/T fic posted to ao3, and the people in the comments and kudos are generally the supporters. It's hard to say who's definitely not because other than a handful of people on Tumblr, most of the bigger authors made maybe one statement and have since either stopped posting or switched the focus of their blogs. It's pretty safe to assume that anyone who didn't kudos one of those recent stories is done with Kane and K/T, though.

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

SA

I mean, I can give you a list of who I saw say they were done with him or otherwise be critical, but that's just going to be biased to my own circle and I don't know who you follow on tumblr.

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks, that would be great! :)

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Uhhh, just of the people I follow, alotofthingsdifferent, blue_spruce, demotu, nebulia, queeniegalore, sophia-helix, the4freedoms, and torigates are some of the more vocal people I can think of off the top of my head who said they're finished. On the other side, I know altri-ucceli and I think essouffle are some of the names I was disappointed to see still leaving kudos, and twoearsandaheart had a big wanky post about it and then deleted.

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

Just went to go check out comments and lol, wow there are some...enthusiastic people still for that pairing.

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

It's performative. They want people see them stating their positions loudly.

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

but still, why so long? idgi

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

That is useful and sensible advice for anyone who's upset and worried about accidentally reading pro-Kane posts.

But if seeing someone you like kudosing new Kane fics makes you sad and disgusted, keep in mind that some of us have no sympathy for real Kane but are comfortable reading fic about fanon Kane as if he were an oc.

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

This.

All of this OH NO THEY KUDOSED A KANE FIC THEY ARE A RAPE APOLOGIST! hysteria is over the top.

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

na

you can also read it without leaving kudos. if i were still comfortable reading about him i sure as fuck wouldn't be adding my name to that list of rape apologists. even if you personally don't mean it as a show of support for pkane, it sure looks like it.

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

da

Personally I don't understand how people can continue to read about Kane and do judge those that do, even if they are rationalising it by saying fanon Kane is an OC.

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

NA

Read new fics with Kane in them? No. But read old fics? Yes. They were written before this happened. It's not like the authors continued to write despite the fact that Kane raped someone.

In a way, this feels very similar to the Gunter Grass situation. I read his books and they became important to me before 2006 when he revealed he had been a Nazi and was part of the Waffen-SS. And guess what? I still reread and cherish his books because they're wonderful and important to me and have left a mark on my life, something I can also say about some of the older Kane fics.

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

That's fine. My comment was intended to soothe the worries of those people who do distinguish between supporting Kane and reading fic, because it's easy to believe everyone means a kudos as a political statement in the current climate of fandom, unless those of us who simply like fic speak up too.

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

+1

I still read K/T fic, like I did before I even knew anything about real Kane and Toews or even hockey, because I can separate them in my mind.

I can't write K/T anymore however, that requires a level of research and investment that I'm just not willing to do.

But hasn't the latest Kane thing that has got kudos been this meta post explaining how they're going to keep on writing K/T? I side eye the people kudosing that.

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

If you read the comments to that meta, you'll find several people talking about accidentally kudosing the fic, like out of habit, and then being unable to take it back. And it's pretty obvious they're telling the truth, given how they're arguing with the meta elsewhere in the comments.

Re: general RPF fandom discussion

[(Anonymous)]

na

Okay, can the people okay with reading and/or writing K/T at this juncture please stop saying it's because they can separate rpf and reality? Most people can. Objection to reading and/or writing K/T at this juncture does not equal an inability to tell that fictional things are fictional. It's about what kind of fiction fandom is writing, why, and what that means in a broader cultural context.